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    The most fair and noble city of Sheffield situate in the delightful county of Yorkshire [WEST Riding]
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    Railway History in particular Manchester, Sheffield and Lincolnshire, Lancashire, Derbyshire and East Coast, Midland and North Eastern; Coal Mining History; Steel Making and Associated Industries and Pubs; Restaurants and Football. Although I find all history topics to be fascinating, in particular, those about Sheffield, Rotherham and surrounding areas.

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  1. Not our neck of the woods I know, and I am sure that we will do things better up here than they do 'dawn-sauth', but never-the-less, a sobering reminder to those, whom like myself, love wandering around old colliery workings. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35800866
  2. The strip definitely appears to be black and white, rather than any other dark colour and white. If the photograph is believed to be of local origin, then I would venture that the team shown might well be the "reformed" Rotherham County FC, whom were inaugurated into League 2 of the Football League in 1919, and whom existed until 1925, or thereabouts, when they, along with Rotherham Town, I believe, together formed Rotherham United. In which case, the player leaning over the ball might be H. Lounds, and the player to his immediate right, H. Bailey, and the player to the right of the goalkeeper, W.A. Chambers. Then again, I might have just put the ball into row Z, and the team might well be one of the numerous local ones that existed at that time.
  3. So much for the old adage that folks were a lot smaller in them days !! he he
  4. The 1980's was still at time when we actually still made things in Sheffield. A time when we still had lots of steel works and collieries with masses of railway sidings and lots of HGVs coming and going on the roads. I think that most of us were aware that the "end was nigh", but there was still a feeling of worth about the city's industries. To me, places like Attercliffe, Darnall and Tinsley now seem a lot less "busy" these days, despite the existence of Meadowhall and the other retail parks. :(
  5. The new look!! Seriously impressed. Looks stunning. Well done guys / girls. I think that I might miss the good old USS Enterprise type "star dates" though. I'm not sure that a proper time and date reference will ever have the same appeal. ;-)
  6. What about:- Fitzallen Square, just as it used to be with Statute, Underground Toilets, Central Post Office, Cinema and Marples Pub. AND The Whistle + Bell Ringing out the last buses at Pond Street Bus Station as it used to be. AND Victoria Railway Station AND The United-Wednesday Derby Day Matches
  7. Perhaps, but S.C.S. is unlikely to have been Sheffield Co-operative Society at the probable time that this photograph was taken, as Sheffield Co-operative Society came about as a result of an identity change by the B & C, when the S & E merged with Yorkshire Co-operative Society in the early 1980's. It would have been Brightside and Carbrook Co-operative Society [b & C] as in the case of Darnall, Main Road Branch, or Sheffield and Ecclesall Co-operative Society [s & E] in the case of the other main Co-operative Organisation that was retailing in Sheffield.
  8. As an aside, there is an interesting report on the same page about the refusal of a license to one Thomas Wostenholme of Woodhouse Mill, [one of my wife's ancestors]. Thomas Wostenholme went on to be landlord of The Princess Royal Inn, Woodhouse Mill, until his untimely demise in 1856, so I suspect that the house mentioned as having "been erected by Mr Hibberd" [whom I also suspect was the landowner - coal mine owner of the Habershon and Hibberd partnership] is very probably The Princess Royal Inn that still exists there today.
  9. I find that GENUK is a very good source of information. The link is http://www.genuki.org.uk/ Some of the areas are still a little basic, as information is still being added to what seems to be a MASSIVE and countrywide database. Some of the areas however are quite detailed, for example, the parish registers for a number of local parishes, eg: St John the Baptist @ Wales, All Hallows @ Harthill, St James @ South Anston, etc are fully searchable online. Links as follows: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Harthill/ http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Wales/ http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Southanston/ You can also link to online free search Phillimore Marriages via UK Geneology Archives. Link below. http://www.uk-genealogy.org.uk/Registers/index.html Hope that this helps. KR N
  10. Thanks DB, After leaving University in 1981, I "took a year out" in order to get a bit of cash behind me and I went to work at BSC Orgreave for about fifteen months, or so. My father, who was employed in the traffic [railway] department at Orgreave "smoothed the way" for me. I certainly remember the Land Rover Fire Engine at Orgreave, which, from memory was nigh on identical to that shown in your photograph and as I've said before, may, or may not have been the one and the same engine, or perhaps its' identical sister. I am pretty sure that I took a photograph of the Orgreave Engine when the plant closed in 1991, so I will certainly try to find it out. Certainly the Yorkshire Engine Railway Shunting Locomotives were switched between Orgreave and Brookhouse on an, "as necessary" basis, so it seems highly likely that other equipment was switched around as well. I seem to recall that Orgreave employed a couple of guys as "full time" firemen during the period that I worked there and it is possible that Brookhouse did the same, though I do not know for certain. Eiher way, the job would have been seen as a "cushy" one and one given to those "favoured" by the management. I must admit that during the period of time that I was employed at Orgreave that I cannot recall the engine ever having been deployed "in anger". For certain, I was never aware that this engine had been "saved" and I will definately be looking out for it at future events. Best regards; N
  11. Brookhouse Coking Chemicals and Byproducts Plant was indeed near Beighton and it was situated alongside the Beighton to Aughton road. It was sandwiched between the North Midland [Eckington to Rotherham] and Great Central [Woodhouse to Kiveton] Railway Lines. It seemed to operate as a subsiduary of the larger, Orgreave Plant. Brookhouse had a capacity of some 175,000 tons of coal per annum, whereas Orgreave was nearer 690,000 tons per annum. There was certainly one of these Land Rover Fire Engines at Orgreave, but as to whether it was the same unit, or a sister of the Brookhouse Engine, I do not know. I think that I might have a photograph somewhere of the Orgreave Engine, taken in 1991 at the time of the plant closure, so I will see if I can find it out, so that you might compare and form your own view. I am delighted to see that this piece of history has survived. Although I suspect that it never clocked up much in the way of milage, as from what I remember, the one at Orgreave seemed to function primarily as a breakfast butty carrier between the works cantee and the "fire station".
  12. I've spent a lot of time researching my family history and there are a few things that I've learned along the way. 1: Spelling mistakes can be quite common and I think that these often arise from the registrar having recorded what they think that they heard 2: Age at time of death can also be misrecorded, so try searching without the age, if you are looking on free bmd and similar web based databases [one of mine was out by 40 years; ie: died aged 45; recorded as aged 5 and it was only when I bought the actual certificate, that I confirmed otherwise ] 3: Try checking burials - for burials in Sheffield, try the Sheffield Indexers site, or the National Burial Index [i'm sure that Sheffield Library have one] 4: In the days before wifdespread, free health provision, elderly and infirm relatives tended to end up living with at least one of their children in their later years and so, it might be worth checking the census returns where their kids have moved away Hope that this helps. KR
  13. From the way everyone is dressed up with overcoats and jackets and the like, it seems that it must have been a cold day out, especially as the charras probably didn't have any fan heaters. There is that group shot of those blokes just prior to setting off. One of them is wearing a jacket, an over coat and one of those oversized flat caps. My Grand Dad, god rest his soul, used to dress just like that right up to the 1970's when he passed away. :rolleyes:
  14. I came across this "story" whilst researching my wife's family history. When I first received the certificate of death for this individual, which states that Thomas Pye was "killed by being struck by the buffers of an engine on the Manchester, Sheffield and Lincolnshire Railway", I thought it worth further investigation and had a look through various newspaper reports in Sheffield Central Library. I have summarised some of these below. From the details given , I would best guess that the incident took place roughly where the now lifted, Rotherwood Exchange Sidings had once existed, though these were not laid until well after the accident described. THE SHEFFIELD INDEPENDENT Saturday, 28th August 1858; Issue No: 2028; Volume 39; Page 8 [abstracted entry] RAILWAY ACCIDENT – Yesterday, T. Badger, Esq., Coroner, held an inquest at the Infirmary, on view of the body of Thomas Pye, of Handsworth Woodhouse, who was killed on the Manchester, Sheffield, and Lincolnshire Railway, about a mile and a half on this side of Woodhouse Junction, on Wednesday. The deceased, who was 58 years of age, was employed as a plate-layer on the railway, and on Wednesday was at work, with James Lyne, Henry Barnes, and another man, in a cutting near Highfield Spring wood. When they ceased work for dinner, a few minutes after 12 o'clock on Wednesday, deceased took his dinner and smock from the side of the cutting, and turned down the side of the rails towards Sheffield, saying he would go and have dinner in the wood, as it would be warmer. At this moment, the 11:47 passenger train from Eckington was passing on its way to Sheffield, and a luggage train on its way to Hull. Lyne and Barnes were going in the opposite direction to deceased, but turned round immediately the train had passed, and saw him lying beside a telegraph post on the embankment. They went to him, and found him in a helpless state, having evidently been struck by the engine of the passenger train, which, however, had not pulled up. Assistance was obtained, and the engine of a coal train, which shortly afterwards arrived at the place, on its way from Sheffield to New Holland, was stopped and detached, for the purpose of conveying the injured man to Sheffield. Deceased reached the Sheffield Infirmary between one and two o'clock, and died of his injuries about an hour afterwards. John Blythe, of Burley Street, Sheffield, the engine driver, appeared before the Jury and stated that he saw deceased and the other three men near the line when he was about 50 yards from them, but at this time they were all sufficiently far off the rails to be out of danger, and he consequently did not whistle. Immediately after noticing them, he stepped to the other side of the engine to attend to something, saw no more of them, and did not know that any one had been injured until informed by the station master at Sheffield some time after his arrival there. It is supposed that, from the noise of the luggage train, deceased did not hear the passenger train, and in attempting to step upon the line just when it was approaching, was struck by the buffers. He was evidently thrown a considerable distance, and struck with great violence against the telegraph post. Mr. Hart, house surgeon at the Infirmary, stated that the man had died from rupture of the bladder and fracture of both hip bones. – The Jury returned a verdict of Accidental death. THE SHEFFIELD TIMES Thursday, 26th August 1858; Issue No: 687; Page 4 [abstracted entry] FATAL RAILWAY ACCIDENT – About noon yesterday a fatal accident occurred at the station at Woodhouse Junction of the Manchester, Sheffield, and Lincolnshire Railway. About half past one o'clock Thomas Pye, a plate-layer, 60 years of age, was crossing the line at the junction named, in order to resume his work, when he was overtaken by the 1st and 2nd class passenger train from Eckington, which was going at a rapid speed and fatally injured. One of the buffers of the engine struck the unfortunate man, and drove him a considerable distance up the line. When he was picked up he was found to be severely injured, and was removed to the Sheffield Infirmary in the New Holland train which passed shortly afterwards. He arrived at the Infirmary about half-past two o'clock, and died shortly afterwards. An inquest will, in all probability, be held to-day. THE SHEFFIELD TIMES Saturday, 28th August 1858; Issue No: 689; Page 4 [abstracted entry] FATAL RAILWAY ACCIDENT – Yesterday, at the Infirmary, before T. Badger, Esq., coroner, an inquest was held on the body of Thomas Pye, a platelayer, who lived at Woodhouse. It appeared from the evidence that about twelve o'clock last Wednesday morning the deceased, who had been working near the Woodhouse Junction Station, took his coat in his hand, and told his companion that he should go to the wood corner to eat his dinner. He walked by the side of the line for a short distance, and was then overtaken by the first train from Eckington. The buffer of the engine struck him on the back, and drove him against a telegraph post, a distance of eight or ten yards. When picked up he was found to be severely injured, and was immediately conveyed to the Infirmary, where he died shortly after admission. At the time the accident happened a luggage train was passing on the other line, and it is supposed that the noise of that train prevented the deceased from hearing the Eckington train. – A verdict of "Accidental death" was returned. Thomas Pye was interred at the burial ground of the Parish Church of St John, in the parish of Park, St John, Sheffield on 28-08-1858.
  15. It would seem that by 1919, from when the attached advertisement that they were using the phrase "Cutlers to His Majesty" which I suppose, seems logical, considering that there is usually only ever one monarch on the throne at any given time. It would also seem, from this time, that their products were being replicated by others and that these copies had been passed off as original Joseph Rodgers products, as the warning suggests. Hope this helps. KR Unitedite
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