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miked

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  1. Just going through my grandfathers field book (Edward John Audoire RE 455 Coy 29th Div) came acroos these names which may be of interest
  2. Amazing stories, I dont know how the courts coped. My ancestors alone must have kept them busy What were the "Illuminations? Interesting sae above where a guy is trying hard to get transported! Any idea where the Dog and Partridge Beer House was on Gibralter St? Theres a really old pic on Picture Sheffield West Bar, 110 and 112 (also known as London House). Thanks ====================== Gibraltar Street *
  3. Thanks for trying, dont worry its not that important. I found a pic on link below. Its hard to imagine all those pubs. The last article makes me chuckle. Colourful times. Do we have pictures of any of the pubs? http://www.bbc.co.uk/southyorkshire/sense_of_place/picture_sheffield/nov_03/044_v00955.shtml
  4. Hobson - publican of Pub on Water Lane in 1843. Anyone know which pub please? Thanks
  5. It has also been said that it was used as a bridge before being swept away in the flood.
  6. I think it was I who didnt read your instructions carefully, thanks
  7. It is sometimes mistakenly said that the murder took place on the Common. I have spent hours looking for the Fairbanks map with the gibbet but without success, possibly just missed it. It would be nice to find it as it has always been a debated subject. I need to get up there to see where the kink in the road is or was.Note the mention of several mileposts?
  8. Not having a deal of luck finding the Scurfield maps etc. I have found the Yorkshire Archaeological Journal Vol 4 but obviously the wrong one but could not find an alternative before running out of time. Was it Vol 4 for the maps or is this another volume? Also the "Hall of Waltheof" was removed for repair. I notice there is now reprint, anyone seen it? I am still searching for the Mr Derby mentioned by Addy but too little to go on so far. He is not in any of the who,s who type books. thanks mike
  9. Recently discovered a Fairbank map in the book about the family. On one map there is marked a stone where the murder took place. There is also a mention that on another map the gibbet is marked. I am afraid though I have difficulty deciphering their maps.
  10. Interesting pic. It would be nice to know who is who. Been trying to fathom which one is Wharncliffe? mike
  11. Thought this might be of interest, not heard of the fever aftermath
  12. Thanks Bayleaf, I will look at the book, meantime, I quote - “The most obvious feature of the medieval park was that which defined its shape, the park pale. As surviving earthworks they normally appear as banks with a broad internal ditch". My previous point, parks were enclosed? I have been given a copy of the "Harrison map" which shows a defined area. Stannington wood shows a none - defined boundary The acreage was exact as well What do you reckon to this idea, area marked in red?
  13. Thats great, where is it from please?
  14. I think I read this bit wrong , "it is at ye pleasure of ye Lord to Inclose it". I thought , to enclose for agriculture I am having difficulty thinking about a park without an enclosure and full of trees. (more like a chase?) I think it was the Normans who were keen on deer parks. I am also possibly thinking of the more "modern ones". I will have to dig out my books on the subject. I understood there was at one time a park and chase at Wortley-Wharncliffe. David Hey wrote somewhere that there was a "Deer Leap" a known device whereby deer could jump into the park but could not get out! However I could not discover where he found that information. Had a look brief look around the Manor House area and looked at the "Park". Remarkable to think the land as not been developed. A very picturesque spot with a great view and I did notice an ample water supply and springs at the Manor. More work needed.
  15. Wow thats great, I suspected something like that but could not find any definition or precedent as you have done. I found some examples of rail fence for deer but I dont think it was usual because of the height required. There is a case of someone "breaking into the Deer Forest" at Rivelin (I need to find it again) As someone said earlier, Deer forests were not usually enclosed but perhaps there was in places a fence in order to deter people, a demarcation. Rails road? although it was called Rivelin Mill Road before. Just some ideas.
  16. Thanks very much help for clarification, I will go down and get a copy. Then a field trip I think I did some research on Wortley Park years ago, Ha Ha,s and so on. They still have a Pales Lane which is why I was wondering about "Rails". When the deer were removed to Wharncliffe (C1649) they were enclosed by a high wall and the rest with some pales, I reckon. I wonder if the Hall Park was short lived, hence few records. Anyone know anything about the "Hall Cliff" ruins on the Riggs? or current Hall Cliff? Whats the connection with Stannington Hall if any?
  17. No these are entitled "Harrisons maps". I dont imagine he did them but they are interesting. Just looked they show the park a little bigger than we are getting and I think more west? Its a bit of a bind. I had to join Erics club http://eric01.yobsn.com/# Then click on Sheffield History box https://app.box.com/s/zkvj37lr20yhl3ogzx35/1/619149163/5878177575/1 Let me know if this makes sense, it doest to me! Update - read on a page, Yorkshire Archaeological Journal
  18. Thats brilliant, just struggling with it, Vox gave 1/10 sq mile that fitted but could not figure out km at all. Rubbish at maths so like the visual thing. I wish I knew how you do it. So fits well although smaller than I imagined Just wondering, in more recent times the Halls overlooked the park and deer. This is an early one so not sure what the idea was here. The other question is, how was it enclosed? Also been pondering over the RAILS COMMON? Have you seen the "Harrison" Rivelin map on Eric Youles site? unable to copy. Thanks mike
  19. Interesting stuff Addy in The Hall of Waltheof says- William Harrison, in 1637, mentions "the Hawe Park," and tells us that it "lyeth open to Rivelin Firth," and contained severity-four acres. Anybody any idea how 74 acres would look on the map? Does it fit? mike
  20. In 1863 Mr. Derby gave rather a different account. He said that the Lawns was then the property of Mr. Thompson, and that the diploma was found "in what is now a small rectangular Croft, skirted by a few trees, near this house." The croft, he said, "is the property of Mr. Nichols, who lives on a farm near Bingley-lane, to the right and the discovery of the tablets [the diploma] was made by his grand father 102 years ago, who then held the same farm. They had evidently been buried in a rather deep hole formed for the purpose, and were covered with a large stone." Thanks for the article Does anyone know who the Mr Derby is please? mike
  21. Hi Thanks for tips, those plans could be useful I wonder if anyone can find a Nichols on any of the 1841,51,61 Census please? It seems like they should be there somewhere Lawns Farm is interesting because the name derived from a clearing in a deer forest (French root). The Thompson family were there till recently after hundreds of years! I have an ancestor (Isaac) from Bingley House who worked and lived there in c1828 as a farm labourer (Bradfield Archive Militia list) I reckon the diploma was found near Rails Photo from old Hospital wood, Lawns farm is in the distance, it is not hard to imagine the deer forest. Its often not understood that "Forest" does not mean wall to wall trees) note the holly Rivelin Pillar a few days ago
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