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  1. Lets try and get it sorted out. The main pictures are of Woodbourne Hotel who played in the Attercliffe Alliance League. There are 2 sets of medals on display - being runners up in the Attercliffe Alliance Charity Cup and the runners up of Division "B" of the Attercliffe Alliance League in season 1920/21. The picture obviously was taken outside the pub as can be seen by the sign on the right-hand side of the pub. There was a Woodbourne Road WR (Wesleyan Reform) team that played in the Bible Class League. To play in the Bible Class League, the team had to be connected to a Church or Church youth club. Pub teams, like Woodbourne Hotel, were not allowed in the Bible Class League. The Attercliffe Alliance league started in 1917/18 season as the Fowler League (Named after the person that started it) For season 1918/19 it changed its name to the Attercliffe Alliance League, before dissolving at the end of the 1922/23 season. The Attercliffe Charity Cup started in season 1917/18. At the end of the War, it was a prime time for the setting up of Charity Cup Competitions with the Darnell Medical Aid and Tinsley Charity Cup being two other local competitions that started that same season. The Alliance Charity Cup ran until 1940/41. Like so many other Football competition, the loss of players to the war effort saw the end of the Competition. It would be nice to know if the cups played for in the Attercliffe competitions are still around somewhere.
  2. There was another Church team in Hackenthorpe in the mid 1960's. It was the Hackenthorpe Christ Church team. It also played on Drakehouse fields in the Highgate and District league (this was an under 16 league) before moving into the Sheffield & Hallamshire Junior (under 21) League. My next door neighbour Michael Hall was the manager, and I ended up being the Secretary. In 1966 we moved our base to the newly opened Hackenthorpe Social Club for sponsorship, playing under their name. We moved our pitch to Woodhouse because the changing rooms at Drakehouse were falling down and not acceptable by the new league.We won the Junior League in season 1967/68. At the end of the season we tried to move to a more senior league, but were rejected because of our poor changing rooms. This was a surprise to us as we shared the ground with Sheffield United juniors. The club folded I started a team (manager, player, secretary Etc) under the name Hackenthorpe Boys in 1964, also playing in the Highgate & District League. However, the league folded at the end of the season and a year later we joined the Sheffield & Hallamshire Under 18 Sunday League as Hackenthorpe FC. Their is still a team playing under that name, which I believe is the continuation of the club I started. The thing I remember about Dralkehuse was having to mark the pitch out before the game. Somebody had found a water spring in the farmers field on the top side of the pitch nearest the road. We wound climb over the fence, fill our buckets with water, and them made a lime solution which we applied by using paint brushes. The pitch cost 2/2/- per season from Southall Parish Council. We could play on it 24/7. In 1968 the area was taken over by Sheffield Council and the charge went up to 10/- per game, collected during the game by a Council worker riding a motor bike. Being the treasurer, I often had to leave the pitch during the game to pay him. Chris Eyre
  3. My Father was a bus/tram driver during the war years for Sheffield Corporation. He once told me that the aerodrome was used at nights during the blitz to store the Corporations buses, to save them from damage.
  4. looking at the map, the fish market was part of the old Rag & Tag market. I believe it moved from there to the new Castle Market when that opened in the early 1960's
  5. I remember going there in the late 1960's for the firm of Accountants I worked for to do the audit of some of the firms books that operated there. There are 3 things that I still remember. One was that I was walking down a narrow corridor and hearing a rattle in front of me. The next thing was about 6 sides of meat come flying round a corner on an overhead rail. You had to be quick and lean against the wall, otherwise you got flattened, I remember that one day I parked my car near some buildings. At dinner time I went to my car to eat my sandwiches. Unfortunately, I had parked near a vent, and the smell from that had got into my car. It was so bad, that there was no way I could eat my food. It took days to clear the smell from my car. I remember a man walking past me with 2 buckets full of raw tripe. It was pure black. Up to then I had often enjoyed having a plate of tripe at the stall in the Castle market. You used to buy a small plate with the "white" tripe on and then add your own salt, pepper and vinegar. Anybody else remember that stall. Also my mum used to cook tripe and onions in a milky source. We used to have this on a bed of bread and butter. I do not think I had any further tripe after seeing the raw black stuff. There was a firm with a name I believe of Sheffield Hides, Skins and bones. I believe they had a premises in the abattoir They also collected these items from most of the butchers in the Sheffield area for recycling. Not sure what happens today.
  6. I have been approached by an elderly gentleman, from out of the area, regarding a football medal he found many years ago. It is for winning the Clegg Shield in 1905/06 with All Saints National School. This was a competition for players from local Sheffield Schools, which is still being played for today. The medal is in the name of N Skillington, who was a full back. I have found the same name appearing in the Heeley Charity Cup competition some 20 years later, so that could be the same person. Does anybody know anything about N Skillington, and are any of his family members still alive, as the gentleman would like to return the medal to his family. Chris Eyre (Sheffield & Hallamshire CFA Historian)
  7. Hi I can confirm the ground was the old B&C Co-op ground which from memory was behind the co-op milk depot at the top of Bellhouse Road. Its some years since I was on that ground, and I assume it is now built on. A lot of local finals were played at that ground over the years. For your information, Bellhouse Road WMC won the game, but I have not got the score in my records. Chris Eyre (Sheffield & Hallamshire CFA historian)
  8. Went down to the Crucible Theatre on Saturday looking for the Commemorative plaque re the formation of both Yorkshire Cricket club and Sheffield Wednesday at the Adelphi Hotel which according to picture Sheffield should be attached to the wall. I could not find the plaque and nobody at the Crucible or tourist information could help me. Anybody got any ideas where it is.
  9. I well remember the sarsaparilla shop near the Abbeydale Cinema in the early 60's. I used to ride on my bike there with empty pop bottles to be filled up for my aunty and uncle who lived on Boyton Street at Heeley There was also a sarsaparilla shop opposite the Rotherham United football ground in the late 1960's The last time I had draft Sarsaparilla was whilst touring in America 15 years ago when I stopped at a small town in the middle of nowhere for my dinner and came across a drinks shop that sold all sorts of herbal drinks. You can still get bottle of sarsaparilla at some garden centre in cordial bottle to dilute. Root beer and sarsaparilla are similar, but are different drinks altogether. Sarsaparilla is much the better drink.
  10. I am trying to trace any information on a Frederick Fidler who attended the Sheffield School of Art in 1877. He appeared to be very talented, winning a £5 prize for designing the Sheffield Football Association Challenge Cup as well as winning the Master Cutlers prize for designing daggers and sheaths. He also won a National Art gold medal for his designs. Does anybody know if any of his designs were used to produce and daggers or sheaths, or if he went on to design further works of art or important items in Sheffield history. Is anybody still alive who is a member of his family. Any information would be appreciated as I am working on an article about the football cup
  11. In the late 1960's I worked for a firm of Accountant who did the financial accounts for Maces. When completing the account's, we always used to ask business owners if they had any dead stock - meaning any that they were not expecting to sell because of age, damaged etc. I still smile today when I remember that when we asked one of the female manages at Maces, she provided us with a list of all the dead animal's/birds etc. that they had had during the previous 12 months. We were always careful how we asked that question in future years.
  12. Also formed there, 150 years ago this week on 6 March 1867 was the Sheffield Football Association which is now known as the Sheffield & Hallamshire CFA. There was a blue plaque on the Crucible which stands on the spot of were the Adelphi Hotel stood to mark the fact that Sheffield Wednesday, Yorkshire Cricket Club and Bramall Lane Cricket ground where founded there. Not sure if it is still there. A picture of the plaque can be found on the Picture Sheffield site
  13. I remember the works at Hackenthorpe from passing it each day 1961 -1966 on my way to school at the Carter Lodge School. now renamed Rainbow Forge. In June 1966 I worked at the factory for one week on works experience followed by a week at the education office on Campo Lane in Sheffield. It was a complete self contained factory, with everything from a forge to finishing department. It even had its own fishing pond inside the grounds, which I believe is still there. I worked in most department during the week and sat on the managers table for my dinner. His wife was the sister of the owner of a Sheffield Accountancy practice. I wanted to go into accountancy, so she arranged for me to have an interview, and I got a job there as a trainee accountant. Things went from there, and I have run my own accountancy practice for the last 35 years. Most of the building is still there, but the wooden steps that were inside the building which went up to a wooden building, have long since gone. On Main Street there was a door were the employees entered and clocked in and off. I remember an old man sat just inside the door in front of an open fire to keep his eyes on things. Just through the door and to the left was the forge. The thing I really remember of my week there was one department with older women in it. They were real oggers, and the other workers at the firm took great delight in sending the young trainee lads to them to be tormented. Possibly the equivalent of fetching the glass hammer trick that were played on new workers in those days. Fortunately, only being there for a few hours I was left alone by them. But I will always remember the fear of the lads as they game it. It was a shame that the property was not kept in tact to act as a museum as I have always felt that it was more of an interest that Abbeydale Museum, being a self contained works
  14. As a football historian, I have noted that this year is the 150th anniversary of important dates in Sheffield football history. The first every football cup competition in the World - The Youdan Cup was played in February/March 1867. The Sheffield Football Association was formed on 7 March 1867 and Sheffield Wednesday were formed in September 1867. I am trying to put an article together about this, so does anybody know of any other important Sheffield event, sports or other things, that took place or started in that year, which I can include in the article
  15. Hi All Put you in the picture about the Sheffield & District Works Sports Association which was started in 1919. They had sections for all sorts of sports, football, hockey, cricket, swimming, and tennis, which is still going today. I believe there were over 80 sections at one time. Many of the cups/shields for these competition were sold at auction about 5 years ago. They had various leagues in the football section. there was, in order of seniority, Premier League, Beatty League, Haig League, Drake League, Raleigh League and a minor league started in 1939/40 and a knock out Cup - A S Lee Cup Competition in 1926/27. The last two running were the Premier League and A S Lee, both finished in 1994. The Drake League finished in 1962/63 and the Raleigh League in 1940. Most of the early trophies appear to have gone long ago. I do have pictures of most of them in my collection. The Drake League was for players under 18 on 1st September and the Raleigh League for players under 16. The teams in the picture represented Thomas Firth steel works, later to become Firth Browns. I believe that their home ground was on Bawtry Road at that time, possibly the one which is now owned by Sheffield University or the one on the other side of the road now owned by Rotherham United.. To play for the team, you had to work at the firm, so the player's in question would be work mates. The Beatty Shield was presented by Lord Beatty. He took the surrender of the German navy at the end of the first world war and the Haig league was from Lord Haig who took the surrender of the German Army. The Drake league had a rose bowl as its trophy. This was donated by Prince Albert. I believe I know where this is at the moment. Anybody interested in the early years of local Sheffield football should obtain a copy of a book that I am co-author of called Football in Sheffield. It was released last September. It is 224 pages long, A4 size and covers the first 150 years of the amateur football game in Sheffield. It has the winners of nearly 100 leagues and cups, its is full of team, medal and cup photos, and much more. It can be obtained from myself for £20, including postage or from the Sheffield Star or Waterstones for £25. You can get an idea about the book by looking on eBay. If anybody has any old football trophies, football pictures or medals they want to know more about, then I am the man to try and help you. I am the official historian for Sheffield & Hallamshire CFA and I try and sort out peoples football queries in my spare time I can be contacted on 01709 541619. Chris Eyre
  16. Was this tower owned in the late 1960's by Husband & Co a firm of arcitects, before the uni took over, or was that demolised,
  17. The Zulus period in local football was an interesting chapter, but lasted a short time of about 18 months Whilst the team called themselves the Sheffield Zulus, they were actually made up of players from other teams in the area. Initially it was a good idea, with the team playing all over the Country. However, troubles soon set in as many people in the football authority thought that they were degrading football. More important was the fact that these players were actually being paid to play in these games - professional football players were not allowed to play in the Sheffield Football Associations area at that time. The local footbal association issued a ban stopping these players playing in any game under their control Matters came to a head in January 1880 when the Zulus played in Edinburgh. The Sheffield Football Association quickly banned the players who had took part, and notified their clubs accordingly. Three of the clubs involved, The Wednesday, Heeley and Exchange were due to play in the semi finals of the Wharncliffe Charity Cup which was run by the Sheffield FA in the following weeks. Sheffield FA would not relent, so the clubs refused to play in the cup competition. As a result, the competition was scrapped for the season. However, The Wednesday and Exchange did play each other in a fund raising game to make up for any money the local charities would lose with the competition being scrapped
  18. I remember going to the B&C co-op in Sheffield near the old court house, one Friday night after school, in 1965 I had gone to buy 10 football shirts for a team that I ran, Hackenthorpe Boys, as we were due to play our first game of the season the next day. Our goalkeeper had his own shirt, thats why we picked him. I had tried Suggs Sports to buy the shirts, but they were more than the money I had. Next I went into the B&C and again I was a little short of the cost price. The kind lady behind the counter on hearing that I needed the shirts for the next day, said that if I did not ask for the divi, then I could have them for the money I had. What a nice lady she was. We turned out the next day in our new white shirts and beat Catcliffe FC 6-2.
  19. Do not know anything about the initials. But I remember being taken by my father in the mid 1960's to the barbers shop that stood on Blonk street. One of the barbers was a female who had a club foot, and I remember with fear the sound of her iron boot on the floor as she moved round you as she was cutting your hair.. Can anybody else remember going to that barbers
  20. I appreciate what is in the Wragg league handbook re their formation, but I have pointed out to them several times that that information is wrong. I have a press advertisment from 1903 asking for teams to enter the Wragg league competition, and to contact W Wragg to do so. This advert clearley shows that this competition was formley the Lewis Cup and that Nelson FC had kept the previous cup as they had won in 3 years in a row, hence the need for a new cup which W Wragg donated. It appears that many teams thought that the competition had folded because of this, and the advert pointed out the reason for the name change. I have found a brief reference to an Attercliffe LV Competition, but this did not start until about 1906 and was short lived. A Sheffield LV League did start in 1903, but this was short lived because Sheffield & Hallamshire would not sanction it. The cup for that competition sold a few years ago at a London auction house for £10000 I have recently come across an article in the Green Un from 1946 stating that the Wragg League started in 1892, which is the year that the Lewis Cup started. Surprisingly it states that W Dyson was the secretary for the first 40 years when all the paperwork and records point to all correspondance going to W Wraggs shop in Attercliffe. This is something I am now checking out
  21. I am putting together the history of the Lewis Football Cup Competition which was based in the Attercliffe/Carbrook area of Sheffield during the period 1892 to 1903. A new cup was presented to the competition by Walter Wragg of 555 Attercliffe Road in 1903, hence the name change to the Wragg Football League, and that cup is still being played for today. I know there were 2 Lewis Cups used for the football competition in that period, the first being won outright by Baldwin Street Meths or Carbrook Church and the second by Nelson in 1903. I would love to find either of these cups. I have also come across a report of the Lewis Attercliffe Junior Cricket league taking place in 1895, again run by Walter Wragg So has anybody any suggestions of who or what business was Lewis that the competitions were named after. I assume it must have had some local connections or was it something to do with bikes?, but at this stage I have not been able to trace anything. Also, has anybody any information or photos of Walter Wragg and his cycle shop at 555, Attercliffe Road. I am also looking for information on the Carbrook Challenge Football Cup which ran between 1883 and 1891. This stopped in 1891 when Carbrook Church won in outright.
  22. I am the S&H historian, all queries to S&H are sent onto me to deal with - so hopefully I can sort out some of it for you. The team was Thornbridge Athletic, and the next season 1966/67 they moved into the S&H Under 18 sunday league. John Tandy was I believe their captain and the team was run by his father, I believe also called John. I was the secretary and also played for Hackenthorpe FC at that time and I remember playing Thornbridge many times in both league and friendly games. The reason for the Under 16 1/2 bit has been lost in history. Perhaps it was something to do with the fact that there were Under 15 and 16 leagues running under the title Highgate & District league, based at Tinsley around that time. They finished in 1965. For years the S&H ran a 14-16 league and a 17-18 league. It the early 1960's this became the under 16 1/2 and under 18 league followed by an under 21 league. These were all played on Saturday afternoons at that time. With the addition of Sunday football in 1966, these league soon disappeared and they had all gone by 1973. In those days the age of the player was based at 1 September in the season in the under 18 and 21 leagues, but in the under 16 1/2 league it was based at 1 March in the previous season, so most of the players would have been 17 at 1 September at the start of the season. Why not just call it an under 17 league. Sounds complicated, so I bet they shot the person who came up with the idea.The 1 September date was used as that fell close to the cut of date of 5 September used for deciding which school year you where put in. It would be nice to hear from anybody else who played in those leagues or have have medals from them. Chris Eyre (S&H Historian)i
  23. I am trying to complete the history of this old football competition which started in 1918. Though it was called a cup competition, it appears that until 1979 the winners actually received a wooden shield. A cup appears to have been purchased in 1979 when the running of the competition was take over by the Sheffield Ameteur league. This ceased in 1987, but the competition was started again in 2000 when the Meadowhall Sunday League took over the running of the competition. Does anybody know where the original wooded shield is today, it could be anywhere. Does anybody know where the old records and minute books are??? Also did you play in the competition and your club win it. If so, which year and who were you playing for. Do you have a team picture??? Any help or information on the competition would be gratefully received
  24. Thornton Sports won the Beatty Shield 2 years running 1929/30 and 1930/31. The Shield competition was run by the Sheffield Works Sports Association which was set up in 1919. The Shield was presented to the Competition by Earl Beatty who was the first Admiral of the fleet and took the surrender of the German Navy at the end of the first world war. The Shield was sold at ELR Auctions last October for £611 and has been on ebay several times since at £680, but did not appear to sell. As a result, I rather suspect that it has now been melted down for its silver contents.
  25. Thornton Sports won the Beatty Shield 2 years running 1929/30 and 1930/31. The Shield competition was run by the Sheffield Works Sports Association which was set up in 1919. The Shield was presented to the Competition by Earl Beatty who was the first Admiral of the fleet and took the surrender of the German Navy at the end of the first world war. The Shield was sold at ELR Auctions last October for £611 and has been on ebay several times since at £680, but did not appear to sell. As a result, I rather suspect that it has now been melted down for its silver contents.
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