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  1. Hi all, It's been a a while since I posted on here, but have been a regular visitor so have read much of what has been discussed; well done everyone for some fascinating research and scarce-known knowledge! I'm doing a talk on some of my research on the missing war memorial in Wesley Hall Methodist Church, Crookes and the community in general at the time and thought I should probably put it out there in case anyone who visits this forum wants to attend. The flyer is attached (but in case you can't see it, the talk is 7.30pm, Thu 10th November at Wesley Hall, Crookes). I'm hoping it should be a good evening, and it'd be good to see anyone there that might have an interest, Thanks.
  2. Great to see Frank with his crew, and yes I think you did send me the original image Dean! Were they all killed at the same time as Frank do we know (just out of interest)? Dan.
  3. If it is a school with swings then there could be any number of different options! At least the Locke Park option is out, thanks Stuart
  4. Good points all round - I stand corrected hilldweller! So if we start to widen the net to Barnsley does anyone have any suggestions? I'll keep trawling and see if anything looks spot on. Going to Dunsbyowl suggestion - could that fit? The far edge of the house (not the curved wall)looks vaguely similar, but not exactly and unfortunately the curved bit that would have been conclusive is just out of shot on the original! I had wondered about the incline from the house, but that could always have been put there later - the site was re-developed in 1919/20 wasn't it when it became a school, or am I way off? Dan. PS Glad to be providing entertainment Steve!
  5. Oh well, time to call it a day for the time being - maybe a sharper eyed forum member may spot something we haven't over the next few days! Thanks a lot and hopefully we may get an answer at some point, I'll keep an eye out as I'm around for any likely candidates, Dan.
  6. Looking at your Shirecliffe Lane suggestion Beery I think it looks reasonable. For some unknown reason my computer did not pick up your google map image until now! I'll ask Dean (who seems to be on the Great War forum instead of this one) as that's his neck of the woods and see what he thinks. Thanks for all your effort on this, Dan.
  7. Thanks for the suggestion hilldweller - I had thought about this line of enquiry too, but if you look at http://www.picturesheffield.com/jpgh/s07357.jpg that HughW found earlier it matches exactly! It might be worth looking to see if they were only on one specific route in Sfd or not though - is there any way of checking this? Trams are not my normal area of expertise! Dan.
  8. Thanks Beery, If you get chance have a look at the thread going on this on the great War forum - there seems to still discussion as to whether Abbeyfield is our location. Like you say, it does look similar but not exact. I can't decide either way now, so I guess it's back to square one! Still it's obviously got people puzzling over it, and there obviously is quite a bit to this picture. Link is: http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/i...p;#entry1273272 Dan
  9. Sorry - think I managed to get rid of that last one, I wasn't sure how relevent it was. Will reattach it for you.
  10. Been going through parks pictures for all public spaces in Sheffield - what do people think about Abbeyfield Park on Abbeyfield Rd / Barnsley Road? It's just round the corner from Burngreave Cemetery and I found an image that correponds quite well on the PictureSheffield site. I've been following google maps / street view and there is a spot on Abbeyfield road where the wall looks very similar (and the right height) but also the scenery to the left looks similar as well. On the identificaiton front I might have cracked it! Looking at the photo the officer on the RHS of the cortege seems to be wearing a forage cap whereas the chap on the left looks like he is wearing a tam-o-shanter. The Cameron Highlanders in WWI had caps for officers but tam-o-shanters for ordinary ranks - something I'm not sure if all the other Scots regiments did (although the KOSB and Argyll & Sutherland's did this too). Given the proximity to Burngreave Cemetery this would also tally as it is not too far off a reasonable route from the Northern General hospital. In November 1915 S/18207 Pte William Davidson of the 5th Camerons committed suicide at the hospital whilst recovering from a thigh wound by slitting his throat in a toilet cubicle during a fit of depression (I found his service papers that detail all of this). The Sheffield newspapers picked up on the story and published an article on him, of which drafts are in the papers. Still speculation, but given the unusual nature of the death and the general inerest by the press / public could he have been interred in such a way using the local terriers as the cadre to follow the cortege? It all seems to fit quite nicely, although the structures behind the wall are still a little of a mystery. Sorry I seem to be posting left right and centre but given I'm stuck at home feeling bunged up and flu-y I thought I'd do something productive that would keep me occupied! Please keep the suggestions coming - this is where I'm up to but it doesn't mean to say it's right! Dan.
  11. Thanks Hugh! So we're looking at somewhere on a tram route too to add to the description of the location - the poles are very similar. Dan.
  12. Thanks for that Beery - I am glad I was coming to the right conclusion on webbing, even if the method was totally wrong! Do you think the terrier unit may be the Hallams (they were around, but did they have the curved shoulder title that can be seen on the picture?) I've also got this thread running on the Great War Forum to see if any of their boffs can shed any light. The interesting news from one of their members is that you had to give notice in order to use a carriage like this, and also it could not be more than a mile and a half from a station / hospital / home / cemetery - so I guess that narrows the location down a bit. Using all the known suggestions so far - given that most point to a Scotsman (or possibly Irish?) being buried somewhere in Sheffield between 1914 and 1916 - I've looked through all the CWGC records for Sheffield cemeteries and have come up with this list (assuming that as Heath's Funeral Directors are based in Sheffield we are only looking there): S/18207 Pte W Davidson, 5th Camerons died 5/11/15, Burngreave Cemetery 16714 Pte Martin Durkin, 8th Dublin Fusiliers, died 5/7/16, Burngreave Cemetery 3625 Pte W T McDougall, 1/4 Black Watch, died 30/12/15, Burngreave Cemetery 5220 Sjt Richard Brennan, 4th Dublin Fusiliers,died 28/7/16, City Road (age 40) 13604, Sjt M McCullagh, 4th Dublin Fusiliers, died 11/12/16, St Michael's R.C. Cemetery 26619 Pte John O'Donoghue, 10th Dublin Fusiliers, died 1/12/16, St. Michael's RC Cemetery (age 18) 14177 Pte Arnold Edwin Williamson, 8th KOSB, died 20/10/1915, Tinsley Park Cemetery (age 19) Of all of these, Richard Brennan would be my top candidate - his CWGC record states he had 22 yrs service and had served in the Boer War. Also, he was Sheffield born and bred (but his home address was Dublin), so maybe this would partially go towards the 'pomp', as I'm not convinced the army would do this for all 18 year old privates who died in training - would they? The only things mainly bothering me on this one are: did the Dublin Fusiliers wear similar caps to Scottish regiments as suggested in the original text? Where is this location - is it within a mile and a half of City Road Cemetery? Still going to keep looking on this one, it's proving to be an interesting challenge! Dan.
  13. Hi all, Just been briefly browsing through this month's Grapevine magazine for Sheffield - to be fair I don't normally pay it too much attention but found this picture on the John Heath Funeral Directors page. It's one they have found in their archive and don't have any info on but are open to ideas; I'd have a few suggestions but thought it looked like there could be a lot that could be gleaned from everyone on here having a look as well. I've tried to scan it in, but the image is not stunning quality - I think you're best off not zooming in too closely lest it get too blurry! If you're in Sheffield just check the magazine out for the original, it's page 22. The text is also here as an attachment. I have no ideas as to location and would love to know where it was actually taken, but it looks fairly distinctive as a site. There are a few points worth making to start the ball rolling on this one I think: i) the webbing the soldiers are mainly wearing (cross belt on the backs) looks reasonably distinctive. I'm not an expert at all but there are clearly buckles just below the shoulders - was that on the 1908 pattern but not the 1914 pattern? (I think, but I could be corrected quite easily - that's just going on appearance I've seen on other photos) which may indicate a territorial unit as opposed to a newly raised service battalion. ii) the soldier level with the centre of the cortege has a curved shoulder title visible - line regiments only had this and not RFA / RGA as implied by the text? iii) the cortege needn't be an RFA gun carriage - didn't virtually all units have access to limbers like this throughout the war? iv) the monument in the centre of the background is pretty individual in shape and style - any ideas? As is the building and structure, so likewise. v) the pole structure to the right of the picture may also give some clue as to location - what is it? I'd love to know more about this picture as it seems most intriguing - hope it is to you to Dan.
  14. It's just on the right as you go down the path towards the church, but unless you actually look closely at it it looks like most of the others in the same block. The craftsmanship on the carving is stunning, the Styring's must have been very proud of their son's contribution ot the war.
  15. After wandering through Crookes Cemetery the other day I noticed this memorial - an eight foot tall celtic cross with a Tank Corps cap badge in the centre! It looks like the family of Gunner Styring used their family plot to erect a private memorial to him until they died and were buried there (their names are on the plinth at the bottom). I mentioned it to Dean the other day and promised some pics (many thanks again for those other images) - so here they are! Gunner Styring himself is actually buried in Arras. The writing makes fascinating reading; there's even extracts from the letters home sent by his OC and Chaplain on there. Dean has also kindly provided an image of the man himself to enhance it. I'm not sure whether this has been recorded or mentioned elsewhere in this forum but it got me interested and thought others may be too; it's a pretty individual memorial if nothing else. GnrEaton
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