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  1. Of course my good man It was originally part of Sheffield Park and the name seems to have come from a well which had broome growing around it. A book you might want to look at for the estate beginings is H Keeble Hewson's Sheffield The Growth of A City. For it mentions that in 1925 28 acres around Cricket Inn Road were purchased to re-house slum clearance houses people. They were to build 340 houses, 200 of which were to be 3 bed. A fixed bath was to be installed in all, but the hot water system was only installed at 2 shillings extra to the tenant. If you didn't pay this the bath (upstairs) had to be filled by means of a hand pump in the kitchen. The houses were to be provided with gas, but not electricty. Tenders accepted in August 1925 for 200 houses for the cost of £75,851. And in November 1925 another 54 houses at £19,226. The following March more land was bought for £4,000 for Wybourn. It seems the estate (along with Manor Estate) came out of the 1923 Chamberlain Housing Act. This provided grants of £5 per house per year for 20 years in respect to each house completed before 1/10/1927. After that date it was reduced to £4 for 20 years for any house completed between 1/10/27 and 1/10/1929. Another act in 1930 (Slum Cearance) allowed the Council to build 1,102 houses on Wybourn. Street names seem to come from the Norfolk family see the Hunter's Hallamshire thread for more on his family tree and some Council people, Bassett , Wragg etc. That should keep you busy for a bit B)
  2. That sounds like you agree with Peter Harvey then Bayleaf? I wonder when the story of it being linked to Spence came about? Often there's something that triggers these tales, such as a history book, or newspaper story. Someone picking up on the story and linking it to the road name in this case. It's amazing how often history can be distorted by such tales. Mind you I've got a school history book for teachers from the 1930's, which has King Arthur and other fictional events listed as though they were real. And it's by the publisher who now do technical books for electronics and the like today - Newnes :o
  3. I believe that Peter Harvey the famous Star reporter disputes that Broughton Lane was named after the hanged man. I understand he argues in his book (which I can recall reading) about the origins of Sheffield Street and Road names, that it was named after a member of the Duke of Norfolk's family. Since the land where the road was in thier ownership. The way he put it in the book made me agree with him. Plus as all too many streets are named from the Norfolks it seems logical that this is just another. If it was named after the Norfolk people, perhaps it was seen as funny to hang him there at the time. A sort of to you Spence!
  4. I don't know if it still has it but the sign used to have the Coat of Arms for the Parkers of Woodthorpe Hall. They had to sell all up when the Parker Shore Bank went under. All that area would have belong to the Hall.
  5. And Richmond Pond taken in the Summer of 1984.
  6. I found this in my collection of Arbourthorne Pond taken around 1980.
  7. It was Arbourthorne pond in the seventies. We were only after little fish such as Sticklebacks hardly needing a licence! The bloke was just natsy!! Yes Richmond Pond is still there where you said it was. It was orginally connected to Woodthorpe Hall which was demolished in 1934 and was much bigger when that was on the go. The Hall was very close to the site of Woodthorpe School. The pond keeps getting cleaned out from time to time and is home to mostly Sticklebacks, Frogs and Newts. But I haven't been near it for years. The biggest fish in it will be I suspect Goldfish dumped in by people who don't want to keep them anymore. I think it would have been well-stocked in the days of the Hall, but by the 50's and 60's polution and the like would have put an end to any fish that fishermen would catch. It was always getting clogged up by Water Lilys and the like when I was young.
  8. Just to break up the conversation on boozers The stream running down from Arbourthorne Pond is called the Jervis Lum. The pond itself is shown on the first OS map and is probably a great deal older. I reckon it could have been a fishpond connected to Sheffield Park Deer Park and was kept for the purpose of watering animals on the farms later. The name Jervis comes from the park keepers and later tennants of the Duke of Norfolk. Much of the area was never built on due to either drainage or coal mining. Arbourthorne Road coming off City Road is dead straight, clearly an old waggon road dating from after 1779, because that is when the Turnpike Road "City Road" as it's known now, came about. A clause in the Act for 1779 allows wagon ways to be built off it for the purpose of transporting coal. When I was younger I used to keep fish in tanks and I would sometimes go to the pond to catch fish for the tanks. However there was always this nasty bloke who didn't like kids catching even Sticklebacks and would chase you off or threaten to fetch the police. So we didn't go to it often. The pond also had a plague of Arglus or fish loush. Which would get on the side of the fish and suck the blood. The only way to get them off was to take the fish out of the water. The louse would then drop off! So we went more often to Richmond Pond which had no nasty man or fish louse!
  9. I thought uses might be interested in these registers on Internet Archive. The parish register of Sheffield in the county of York (1917) Internet archive 1 The parish register of Sheffield in the county of York (1917) vol 58 Internet archive 2 The parish register of Sheffield in the county of York (1917) vol 60 Internet archive 3 The parish register of Sheffield in the county of York (1917) vol 68 internet archive 4 Registers of Bradfield, in the Diocese of York, 1559- (1905) Internet archive 5
  10. There's always DNA testing. If as you say she has relations, if a check is made on you and anyone of them, it would prove without doubt she is related to you.
  11. OK Markbaby here you go! Beacon.mp3 Capitol.mp3 LBC.mp3 Orwell.mp3 Pennine.mp3 Picadilly.mp3 Plymouth Sound.mp3 Radio Fourth.mp3 Swansea Sound.mp3 Trent.mp3 Victory.mp3 Clyde.mp3
  12. Have got a few jingles from Hallam for you all in stereo! They all date from the late seventies. Keith Skues was a collector of jingles and the punk one was placed on the end of a batch he broadcast around 1979. It featured on a whole bunch of them from ILR stations all over the country. I've got them all if anyone wants them. Hallam (punk style).mp3 Rouse Saturday.mp3 Hallam countdown 54321.mp3
  13. Has anyone noticed that he gets on one train, which the other day was an engine powered train pulling several coaches, but the aerial shot showed a two coach DMU Once it was raining and the aerial shot again showed a different train in bright sunny weather! It makes it look like the trains are regular as buses too! But a really good series apart from these.
  14. I'm a Manor lad born in Queen Mary Road (now demolished). From my recent posts you can tell that I'm interested in the Manor Lodge and Sheffield Park. But I'm also interested in my family history. This covers several surnames: Appleyard, Benton, Yeardley, Dolan plus others. Done tons of research on Manor and Park, so unless you come accross something in the archives, I doubt anyone could surprise me there. Family history mysteries to track down still are: on Appleyard side, finding the graves of any Appleyards in Sheffield area and on the Benton side why they seem to have moved in mass from Birmingham?
  15. There was for certain AA guns just below the Manor Lodge site near the farm. My Dad, who lived on Wulfric Road remembers them well. He were playing with fragments of shell cases afterwards. He also says later on nearby they installed "Rocket Guns". The Lodge site also had a Home Guard post and Pauline Beswick who was in charge of the excavations in the 70's & 80's says they dug up live amunition connected with the Home Guard. :o
  16. Yes I reckon it was about 1890 the photo. We found some of the 'kids' burried in Tinsley Park Cem. One died on my birthday aged just 40. The other at Perhawar India, aged just 22. James Yeardley was his name. The gravestone says private in 2nd Batt, 19th Yorks Regt. He died July 13 (unlucky for him ) 1898. So he must have got killed in someone's war.
  17. Mary asked for Elizabeth's protection. She wrote a letter asking for precisely what the English dished out to her. I suppose the nearest thing today would be protectivty custody. But like many offered this it's sort of like being in prisoner. Which is true of Mary. She could have escaped to France. But by coming into England without waiting for permission from Queen Elizabeth, she was what we would call an Asylum Seeker. But as she was a Queen of another realm that was also wrong. Even today our Queen as to ask for permission to visit another country. It could be seen as an invaison otherwise Mary did hate the place, but she was moved after an abortive attempt at rescue, rather than to keep her happy. Not true. In fact I believe she went back there after Talbot's discharge. Which wouldn't make sense if that was the case. Sorry, I don't follow your logic. How would signing a death warrant stop the Catholic opposition from plotting against her? Suppose after signing Elizabeth had died or been assassinated? I think it's doubtful that anyone would have gone ahead and executed Mary, she now being the rightful Queen? Your not a woman! In Elizabeth's eyes the signing of the warrant, would put an end to plots by those who wanted a Catholic puppet on the throne. Because she would excute her. Thus ending any chance of a Catholic queen. Before Mary had even settled herself in Scotland she had requested to be name heir by Elizabeth. But after what she went through in her own life, Elizabeth wasn't interested in heirs to the throne. Infact she had no objection to Mary Stuart being the next Queen, just as long as she died a natural death. Mary's son surporters would have been very glad to get shut of Mary after Elizabeth had gone. Mary's letters were scrutinised before being sent. Secret letters were usually interecepted before they could be sent. It didn't stop them going to the recipents. They were passed on after being copied. In Leader's book you will find a letter in reference to the King of Persia who says he wouldn't mind Royal Treatment, as he says Mary writes to whoever she pleases. They were housed in Sheffield, and forbidden to go further afield, on pain of not being allowed to return. As stated earlier when choosing Sheffield, it was far from main thoroughfares, and apart from thraffic between the Queen in London and the castle, few if any people would travel far. In addition, the local population were kept away from mary. If she ventured beyond the castle gate George had to ensure there were no people to see her. Gossip has a way of traveling great distances. The servants of Mary were so numerous they would be in close contact with those in the town. Those in the town would include alsorts of travling tradesmen. If you think about it that's how the plague travelled around. Sheffield was not as isloated as you seem to think, that's why it was impossible to control it. Again, you're imposing present values on the 16th Century. It wasn't just that Bess suspected George of an affair, it was to do with his perceived neglect of her. As they drifted apart she spent a good deal of time at Chatsworth where the building work was her pet project. She wrote to George asking him to send building materials, and when he failed to supply them, wrote another stinging letter accusing him of neglect. George for his part complained that he wished he'd never heard of Chatsworth. No I'm not. Realtionships break down for all sorts of reasons. This is true now as it would have been then. Back then he would have been seen as not been able to control his wife. However even that letter doesn't prove that the relationship broke down because of either rumours of an affair, or neglect of his wife. Just that they were not getting on well. Past historians might be guilty of spreading the story that the marriage broke up due to the "charge". But you are equally guilty in sticking to the idea without any evidence. And George could be grumpy anyway. For instance when Elizabeth told him she trusted him. It was George who spoke first to the Queen. Not something he should have done! By telling her that the tenants in Bolsover would be causing trouble while he wasn't there. The Howards, first Earls then Dukes of Norfolk, have been the foremost Roman Catholic family in England, up to the present day, even through the Protestant ascendancy under Henry VIII and Elizabeth. Not true he was a Protestant. Otherwise why would Mary offer to change her religion? It was quite acceptable for someone of rank to receive visitors while in bed. (Even Winston Churchill did it 400 years later!) Yeah but even he didn't ask to marry anyone as much as she did The midwife tale is in Leader.
  18. Thanks to my grandmother on my dad's side of the family, we have quite a number of the photos from her line. Alice (my grandmother) was very keen on history and used to take me on day trips to York. So I think I got the history bug from her The photo below is the oldest in my collection and features my Great Great Grandfather John Fletcher Yeardley who was born in 1846. Alice had put on the back "Grandfather Yeardley" but not the woman's name. So we assumed it was his wife Till I came accross the online 1881 census for Sheffield. This lists him as 35, a Cast Steel Forgeman, at 21 Flora Street. And also indicated his wife was dead By the style of the picture we reckon that it couldn't be earlier than the census, and luckly the census reveals who she could be. For also listed at the same place is his sister Maria aged 42. a dress maker, and unmarried. So it is Maria in the picture and it also explains the dark dress! Wonder if she made it herself? Why was she living with her brother? Well John had six boys aged from 2 to 12, so that would explain it. A quick check on the 1871 census showed that his wife was called Elizabeth born 1849, but we don't know anything else about her and why she died, or even when. Though due to the two-year-old son it was before 1880. The fact that Maria never married also help trace her back home to her mum & dad, who were Joseph born 1806 and Hanah born 1811. Can a mod correct the title error please! Sorry! - Done RB
  19. SteveHB the image on this site is JPG converstion of a much larger file. When I did the converstion the program said it wouldn't look as good. If that is what you are refering too.
  20. I remember this song. It was in the Radio Hallam top 50 for ages. Though I didn't keep records of the records in the Hallam Countdown and it's chart positions, I did keep a kind of record of it's performance in that chart. It first appeared on the 2 October chart (1982), it then spent 20 weeks going up a down like a yo-yo I do remember it being in the top ten of Hallam's chart. Even for a local band that was very unusal for Hallam's chart to have a record in it's chart a long time which wasn't in the BBC top 40.
  21. Here's another picture from my collection this time of Phillimore School in Darnall c1930. This one was heavily damaged and I restored it using a photo shop software. Wonderfull things they are The only person I know on it is Dorothy Yeardley. She's the front girl on the right.
  22. In my collection is a picture which we think is connected to the Boer War. It shows horses so they must be a mounted or transport regiment. I don't know who the men are, but I would guess that a least one is a relative. The orginal is very dark so I have cleaned it up with a photo shop application. The original is mounted on a stiff card of a photographer called Basebe of 32 Station Road Aldershot. It measures 15cm by 10.5cm.