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  1. You might be interested to know Richard that it's possible to work out that Mary Suart suffered from an over active thyroid. This made her ill a lot, such as sweats and sickness and caused her to fall from her horse once. It also sent her hair white! It also explains why she was tall, suffered a miscarriage, very active when younger and very weak when older. It has symptoms like the madness of King George illness - though it's now known that he did NOT have porphyria, nor did Mary Stuart.
  2. You need only ask me Richard. I was the chairperson of the first friends group for a while, even the present chair asks me sometimes questions relating to it! You can use the thread about it to ask me anything Manor Lodge related.
  3. Pauline was the person in charge of the dig. She told me they had uncovered the toilet block which is incorprated into Wolsey's Tower, which is the only Tower built at the time of Wolsey and also the historical documents mention a new tower. Last time I heard anything the Friends of Manor Lodge Group were after some money to get the old reports of the archaeological digs written up. The toilet area can still be seen in the remains of the tower even today, plus where the plank of wood fitted into the brickwork to take the seat with the whole(s) in it. The Manor Lodge was much smaller at the time of Wolsey. It had the Wolsey Tower at one end, then the Long Gallery linking it to other buiding at the end, which is mostly gone. All the other structures on the site mostly date to the rebuilding phase after 1580 to create a a "Royal Palace" for Mary Stuart.
  4. Wasn't he getting on a bit? So he would have had trouble anyway. Plus he was overweight And so housing him in next to the site toilet would have finished him off. Anyone in a weak state already he wouldn't have been able to fight off those nasty germs that would have been present from being lodged in the place still called by his name. The trouble with historical documents you quote Richard is they don't mention the loo in this case. Indeed it wasn't found till Pauline Beswick dug it up in the 1980's. It was in the base of a tower, it was on two levels, but it was just a pit that filled up. When it got to high or more likely to smelly, a bloke knocked a hole in the wall and the lot went down the hill. By the way Mary Stuart Queen of Scots, probably didn't use it. As the inventory of the 1580's list lots of high class "stools" for that purpose.
  5. Yes I found the reference in the Sheffield Daily Telegraph for the 12 May 1924, probably in one of those newspaper cuttings vol. in Local Studies. Hall submitted 30 names to the Highway Committe.
  6. Supertram uses the voices of well known people to annouce the next stops when you are travelling on the tram. They also have different voices for the 3 routes. I can easily recognise Sean Bean who does the Purple Route service to Herdings Park. When he recorded them, he clearly said "Manor Top Elm Tree". But Supertram decided only to use "Manor Top". However the way he says it leaves you in baited breath for more than just "Manor Top". The Blue Route (Halfway) voice, is a voice I have heard before but I just can't think who he is? Does he work for Radio Sheffield? Nor do I know the Yellow Route person, don't use it much but I think it's a woman's voice? Though drivers can do the anoucements themselves, I have not heard one do it for years.
  7. We now know that Wolsey stayed next to the site toilet so probably got food poisoning from eating there, which lead to his death.
  8. One publication (I have a PDF of it) says that this stone ended up in Nottingham Castle Museum. Though I have never been able to confirm it!
  9. T. W Hall was given the task of selecting many of the street names for the new Manor Estate. He was working on the court rolls of Eckington Manor at the time, so a lot of the names came from that. In fact some of the street names there are the same as the ones on the Manor. One name was however rejected - that of Strangeways - due to the prision lol
  10. Shouldn't that be "I am the god of hell fire and i bring you" RAY STUART lol
  11. You could always have a post a picture of yourself thread. I know UKMIX forum have a thread among these lines. Only with Sheffield History it's easy to do it having it's own uploading of pictures operation. The UKMIX one you have to join one of those picture storage sites which are a real pain in the you know what! It could be part of the introduce yourself section -pinned of course! If you don't want to post your mug shots you don't have to. :P
  12. There was a channel four documentary ( I see a lot of them) about how some victims of the plague from Eyam got the plague and survived and some who lived among the victims who died, burrying them after looking after them in some cases, but never ever caught the plague. <br><br>The reason was all down to the Black Death. Apparently the survivors of that had passed on their relatives two forms of genes which provides the protection needed to live. Tests on the desendents of Eyam, showed that those who were related to the persons who suffered from the plague had one form of the protection gene inherited from one of their parents. And those who never got the plague inherited both, one from each parent. <br><br>The reason why the two genes worked wasn't because it was the same illness as the Black Death, but it imployed the same way of attacking the body as it. The germ once in the body would go to the area were White Cells - the body's defence system - are made and destroy it. It did this by getting inside a White Cell.&nbsp;&nbsp;So the person would die of any number of illness. In fact the AIDS virus uses the same system. And on the documentary one *** man in the USA, whose friends were all dying of AIDS, couldn't work out why he wasn't dead. He persuaded his doctor to test him and ask why. It turns out he was descended from two parents with the Black Death protection genes. These two genes ensure that all three viruses cannot get inside the White Cell, thus giving complete protection against any virus using this method. Sadly the Black Death never got into places like Africia, so there are no protection genes in its native population, thus explaining why AIDS has had a much worse effect there than in European countries.
  13. I also caught a bit of the second part about Paris. What struck me in that was the mention of Tanning works and how awful the effect these had. Dealing with leather folks, not sun tan cream! I remember reading the Ronksley book, a copy of Harrison's Survey of Sheffield in 1637. That too mentions this industry alot, so it implies even the very small town of Sheffield must have beem smelly and poluted back in the 1600's. Just goes to show even a programme not about Sheffield can have implications for the place.
  14. Railway points get iced up or have stones in them and need cleaning out. Also he could have worked in a hump shunting yard. Where trucks were taken up a steep hill by a loco, then uncoupled - they then rolled down the hill and the track was split by points into sidings or bays. The pointsman would switch the lose trucks into each siding or bay till a new set of trucks was made up and these were coupled to a engine and go to thier next destination. This work was dangerous as a truck could weigh 40 tons and it wasn't under anyone's control, so if you fell or got in its way it would run over you. He might have had to run between the tracks to get to the point to pull the leaver.
  15. And the other two were success stories? The third's absent I suspect because of the belief that Britain rules the waves. Clearly the RN getting caught with their pants down doesn't sit well with that belief.
  16. The late Harry Cowlishaw gave an interview with members of the Manor Memories History group in 1989. He was part of the family that worked several local farms in the Manor and Park area. He also had an extensive collection of photographs. The pdf below was scanned from a written sheet of the notes a member of the group made. I believe that the full archive of tapes, including the ones Harry appears on is still with the former Castle College worker connected to the group. Sadly the photograph collection which was better than a Peter Harvey book of photos, has gone missing. Cowlishaw Interview 3011989.pdf
  17. I found this pdf file in my collection, it's taken from Vol 6 and is called "MURAL PAINTINGS AND THE HALL AT THE PONDS'". Trans Hunter Arc Soc V6 (part).pdf
  18. Like many I'm very grateful to those that do scan any books They just need to check that it's not already been done Carry on the good work :)
  19. There was Channel Four documentary on how the baker's shop caused the fire. It turns out that flour is highly flammable meterial and would have done the trick on it's own, causing a firestorm.
  20. I did read it in a book in the central library probably a place names of England one! I can't remember which one. I think it also mentioned that "Dore" being the entrance in the boundary, don't know if that is true Robin seems to have pieced the rest together, thanks for that. On the coat of arms for Sheffield. I believe these are drawn up by the College of Arms, when it was applied for the College would draw up some ideas or anything requested by the client. They would probably not have looked up the actual meaning of the name at any point and of course the Arms are meant to impress. Some coats of arms for families etc take a more recent explanation of the name put forward. For example one drawn up today to the name "Carr" might well have a motor car in it. Oddly the coat of arms for my name "Appleyard" doesn't have any apples in it, but three Owls and a chevron ("^" one of these), which always reminds me of a famous local football team :)
  21. Your quite right on Elizabeth favouring him. For in the "police" state of that time, it would have been impossible to get any play or text published without full approval of the Queen. But what appears on the surface to be historical nonsense hides more history than anyone can imagine. It's like this, writers are not very good at coming up with pure fiction, even those based on true events. For example, if you take the Robin Hood films, there's nothing written down about what Robin says. So the script writer(s) have to come up with thier own words. So they tend to base it on what someone of the time is going on about. So the Errol Flynn dialogue tells you more about what was happening in the world when the film was made then in the 13th Century. So think the same with Shakespeare. For example I quickly spotted that Shakespeare talking about Talbot and the scurge of France and his dealing with Joan of Arc, after my studying the Mary Stuart story, was really about George Talbot and Mary Stuart. Mary of course came from France so was perfect for Joan of Arc! I actual think that William was so well connected in the court of Elizabeth that he pieced most of the life of the Tudors, from Henry VIII, to Elizabeth together. Anything in fact in living memory and it's all in those plays jumbled up. All you have to do is work out who the "real" people are and the context and bingo you have real history. Often I believe, with the real words of the people that spoke it I hope that wet your appetite for more on Shakespeare's real history, I'll tell more later on another thread. This about the hooded man afterall ;-)
  22. Just for the curious the real meaning of Sheffield is "boundary river passing by open land". Sheaf = boundary between Mercia and Northumbria. Feld = Open land - an area without trees, perhaps appearing natural as compared to a man made cleared area.
  23. I hope this clears up the confusion on parks and chases. The Norman's who were nuts about hunting chased after deer on horseback, this continued right up to the time of Henry VIII, who because he couldn't ride about, (with his gammy leg and being fat) put an end to the chase of deer for sport on horseback. Instead hounds (Talbots) were sent after the deer, when they caught one the hunters rode out to the place it was and the guest or whoever was deemed right, would have the privilege of killing the deer. The hunters would wait at special places which were built for the purpose, these were often high towers and built on hills for best observation of the hunt. They became known as "stands" hence how Stand House School got it's name. Up to that time the hunting method was the same in parks and chases. However the differnce being that on the chase the deer were wild deer and often smaller, because in parks they were fed on holly and hay grown for them, farmed if you like. If English teachers knew the real meanings of Shakespeare's words they would never be able to teach them in Schools! Tell them to read Filthy Shakespeare by Pauline Kiernan that will make them think twice about him! Spellings were of course not standed till Johnson and his dictionary came along. Many have remained fixed with a spelling from Johnson, that doesn't sound like the word as spoken, hence why kids ofter spell them out as sounded and get them wrong!
  24. I remember going to see Battle of Britain there. My most vivid memory though of it was the bit were Christopher Plummer tells a pilot off for doing a victory roll, saying something like "you could have been spreaded over the field like strawberry jam". The reason being that the film must have broken at the point he says "strawberry" on a previous occassion leading to a bad splice by the projectionist, so there was a nasty jump! Everytime the film is on TV now I'm waiting for it to jump! But it never does. Incidentally the bit were the pilot of a spitfire bails out but his shoot never opens was not meant to happen apparently. It was one of the last pieces of aerial combat to be shot. They had a dummy and tried several times to get the shoot to open, but it never did, time ran out, so the shot was kept in. It has become one of the iconic images of the film.
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