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  1. Most people outside those who worked for Sheffield Council and anyone connected with organisations that had a strong connection to the Council, have probably never heard of Central Supplies, but the council did have it's own base that supplied materials to the various Council departments. It was located on Staniforth Road in the building, which is now used by the Council's transport depot. I'm assuming that Central Supplies was closed down years ago, as I could find no reference to it on a Google Search before I started this thread. Presumably wiped out by cuts and the splitting off of departments of the Council?

    For those that have never heard of it. Central Supplies was basically a warehouse that stocked stuff for schools, stationary for the office staff of the Council departments and loads of other things. It even had it's own printing department that did Council leaflets etc. It's main advantage is that it was cheaper for the departments to get the supplies from there then it was to go to a commercial firm. I personally knew about it from my time running the Manor Mercury community newspaper. We had a community worker by the name of Tony Tingle who worked for Family and Community Services. He was able to use Central Supplies to get the paper and stencils for the Gestetner duplicator we had for printing the paper. I think the paper was half the price of commercial bought ream of paper. All the Sheffield Schools would have got the supplies of art paint, pens, pencils and writing books from there too.

    I'm not certain how they now get the supplies for the various departments, but with systems of operation being much more varied and some under private companies, such as cleansing. Having a Central Supplies now would be impossible to operate, I would have thought.     


  2. Having recently purchased the book I think it's excellent value for money. It covers all the old yards in the South Yorkshire area too. And reveals what they had to do to construct the Tinsley Yard. As one railway official said, "there was a bloody big mountain in the way".  They also had to drain an old colliery pumping house pond, which had over 1,400 fish in it, the fish were all moved to another lake in Rotherham. 

    Fully detailed, it takes you to the closure and shows what is left on the ground.   


  3. Probably based on the same large scale OS Maps from the 50's on this site.

    But even the OS didn't remove things from later editions of maps. I certainly had a street map like that, dated from the 1970's, which wasn't showing the Mansfield Road Fire Station built. The above map doesn't have it either.

    I recently got an OS map 1:25 000 which has a sticker on it for 70p. The legend says "compiled from 6" sheets last revised 1914-36. Other partial systematic revision 1938-50 has been incorporated. Major roads revised 1971.  The copyright date in 1951. 

    From this one must conclude that the OS people are either A: Idle sods or B daft! 

    So you can use the map to see if there is a major road, or look for a railway goods yard that was closed in 1962 and quickly converted to a car park (the one next to Victoria Station) also shown on the street map!

    I wonder if the brand new OS maps (with all the latest tech they have now for mapping) still have new features on them and ones that have NOT existed for 20 or 30 years? 


  4. I recall seeing vacant plots of land in the 1950 maps just back of the Wicker and I assumed they might have been destroyed buildings from the blitz. But while looking on the Britain from Above website I came across a 1937 aerial picture showing the same bits of land with no buildings on them! So they could not have been destroyed by bombs!!

    This is a great photo anyway because it shows a huge amount of trams congregating on the Wicker itself!

     

    Wicker and environs, Sheffield, 1937.jpg


  5. Reply received. Not good news!

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    Thank you for your E-Mail regarding copies of 1:1250 OS maps for areas within Sheffield.

    The Local Studies Library is where the bulk of the OS maps held by Sheffield Libraries is kept.

    I have had a look at the maps they hold and they do hold copies covering the four areas you have mentioned in your E-Mail.

    They all appear to be from 1954 or from 1970 or later.

    I could not see any from the 1960s.

    SK3687NW and SK3687NE are those that have copies for 1970.

    There is a 50 year copyright closure for obtaining more than an A4 sheet from an OS map.

    If you were interested in copies of the maps from 1954 which in this case are SK3787NE, SK3687NE and SK3687NW then we can send maps to be copied from between £17-50 and £19-00 each,inclusive of a handling charge.

    Alternatively you are welcome to visit the Local Studies Library when they are open (times are below) and take photographs with your own camera for no charge.

     

    As anyone on this site is aware nearly all the 1954 maps are available here. The 1970 map is just too late, as I am interested in the changes to the railway system, by that point Sheffield Victoria had closed and MASSIVE changes would have occurred to the railway infrastructure by that year. Also it falls into the copyright thing which limits what you can do.

    Following the lack of information map wise for the area between the Nunnery junction (where the line from the Midland joins the Victoria line) to the end of Woodbourne Road bridge, I had a look around for aerial photo's of the area. But again they are absent. Even on the Britain From Above website, even the earlier photos cut off just past the Junction. They then pick up the tracks after the triangle junction of Woodbourne. Since the plane was taking pictures of Nunnery Colliery. 

    There are some photo's of the Nunnery Carriage Sidings on Picture Sheffield and one of Woodbourne Road bridge which appears to show some kind of Water Tower, but is not complete to make out the full structure. There's a good one on Flicker too taken from the bridge looking up the line to Sheffield, which again shows a tower, but again lacking enough detail. All the Nunnery Sidings ones on Picture Sheffield again don't show the full scope of the site.

    I find it really odd that there are more pictures of Sheffield Railways from before 1955 then there are then the later periods. Especially the aerial pictures. Which is really odd when you think about since there were more planes and even helicopters in the 60's and 70's then there was before. Perhaps they are waiting in vaults somewhere for the copyrights to run out for someone to upload them? 


  6. I should have mentioned that the model will be based on the period 1966-1969 centred around 1967.

    However these pictures do show a great deal of detail, when you can zoom in. And some things were still around in the 1960's building wise.

    In the first picture is the triangle shaped roofs of the Nunnery Goods Station shown in the maps. The other long building survived to become a garage. The house round back with the fancy porch did not and there are some ground based views of it looking derelict. 

    On the first picture too going towards the railway from the Goods Shed is the Nunnery Junction Signal Box, which survived to have it's photo taken in the 1970's in colour!

    Between them two is the Palissy Works (electrical). I did a search on Picture Sheffield for that and found nothing. So that might be the only image of the works. Ahead of it is another Carriage Shed, which stands on the Nunnery Carriage Sidings ground. That shed doesn't seem to have survived after 1960. There's also a good picture of the Carriage Shed at the other side. Later aerial photo's on the same site, show holes in the side and roof. So it might have been a wooden structure.

    In front of the white roof tool factory is the Number 5 signal box. The Victoria Station section had six in total, seven if you count that Number 3 was replaced and put nearer the station entrance.  

    On the second picture you can just about see the Midland line emerging from under the Victoria line. The Council cleansing depot had a line running off the Midland to it, between the large shed of a building and the small two window building.

    On the road are two horses and carts and a tiny Sheffield bus that looks like a kids toy!    


  7. Great mystery solved. It's no wonder I couldn't find it on the Sheffield History Maps as they don't cover that section!

    If anyone can locate any images of the buildings from Blast Lane to Lumley Street towards Woodbourn Road Bridge in the Lilac Area shown in this map it would be really helpful. The idea is to construct a 4mm Scale model of the section in Lilac. It might just stay a bit of idea as in that scale it would be about 70 foot long and 12 foot wide! Each track shown on the map would be 3cm wide.

    The Map shown is a later map and lots of changes to it! 

     

    Railway_area_plan.jpg


  8. I purchased two photo's of some kind of derelict train shed that was located in the Nunnery area. However where it was is a bit of a mystery at least to me! There was a carriage shed located near Bernard Road, just in front of the Refuse Disposal works, but the embankment doesn't fit in with it. 

    Another possible contender is the Nunnery Station Goods depot found on the other side of Bernard Road. Certainly a possibility, due to the goods wagons around it. 

    The picture hear illustrated will give the most clues to it's location, the other one is just a close up of the front. It was scanned at low quality for copyright reasons (Industrial Railway Society). The date given is 1967.   I think it is highly unlikely to be anything to do with the Darnall Depot, as that was still in use in 1967. 

    I have also uploaded two maps. One of the carriage shed location. And Nunnery Goods.

    If anyone has any pictures of the carriage shed in the map please post them!

    Shed Nunnery 1967.jpg

    Bernard Road 2 SK3687NE.jpg

    Lumley Street upper section 1 SK3687NE.jpg


  9. An update on the model bus, I got one of the other EFE buses, the one running with 95 Intake on it, M.C.W. Orion body. And found it easy to convert the numbers. You can get transfers from Fox Transfers with some not all destinations and bus numbers. And you can populate with people too. That's a bit more tricky as you have to go under the bus and you will see two plastic lugs with EFE on them around the base of the metal poles that go all the way to the top of the roof. What you then need to do is prise out the lug with a small watchmakers screw driver. One both are removed the top section of the bus with come away with the floor and windows. I painted the seats and floor areas and glued suitably seated figures, (HO scale (1.87) are a bit smaller but will fit them better, even though the bus's are 1.76 scale. You might have to use the type with no legs on the middle seats, but the side seats and front have space for the legs! The driver and conductor are another matter. And like the real bus companies I have a shortage of both!!lol

    I did get one, the driver, though who was a legless type - reminds me of the Douglas Barder - bus company:) The conductor was converted from a postman, but his bag does look like the money bag they had. He stands on the door to the bus! The reason why the bus crew are adapted is because for 6 bus crew figures the charge is over £15! 

    Lastly I did a small amount of dirt in place, mostly on the engine hood and some muck around the wheels and the roof looks less pristine. I did not fit the poles back, as they don't look right and it only needed a small amount of Bostick Solvent Free to stick it back on. Don't stick the people in the seats to close to the window sides or you will have problems getting it back together!  To detach the poles from the roof just bend them over to the base of the roof. You think they might be held by a screw, but actually it's a pin head!

    I'll post a picture soon, it now goes to Firth Park on the number 4 route, which did go under the Wicker Arches.

    As for the Atlantean bus I have got the model. I will have to fit some people and change the number to a 277 bus, which went via Furnival Road. The back of that bus will also get dirty around the engine as most of them where mucky in that area, even worse during the winter! Buses tend to be a bit cleaner these days, but a 60's to early 70's bus were mostly grimy in some place or other!

    I have also added two more buses to the collection a Leyland DP2 which already has a 69 Rotherham on it! And a Leyland Leopard in green West Riding on the X33 heading to Sheffield. 

    So I am recruiting for 3 bus drivers, who must be legless! And two conductors maximum height 20mm! hehe I am assuming the driver took the money on the X33. 

     

    The pictures: Some work still needed to tidy up the route numbers etc.

       

    Bus 1.JPG

    Bus 2.JPG


  10. A word of caution with anything like wheat and seed plants growing in now heavily populated areas. People feed birds these days and seeds they used are sometimes those type of plants. Indeed we ourselves have seen such plants growing in our garden. But these are down birds and other wildlife dropping them. Not what is left of farms. Not that I am saying that wheat plant is a bird seed dropped. 


  11. Has anyone got any pictures of Sheffield buses that operated in the 1960's from the inside and also any showing local advertisements that went on the outside of them? 

    If you have close ups of the adverts that would be even better.

    If you search for these things on the net you tend to get modern buses or the firms that sell advertising on buses.


  12. You can see where they have straightened the wall to get shut of the well, with the stone work that doesn't match the rest of the wall, on the Brookhouse Hill one. The rest of the surroundings don't seem to have changed much apart from the road not being mud any more. How many comparison pictures can you say that of? 

    Could that be the same hedge I wonder?


  13. I believe they farm out the work to a company called Media Storehouse, as the prices seem to be the same. I recently purchased ACM/MAPS/SheD/737 from them, which is a 1785 map by Fairbank of the area around Simon Wheel, which I had not seen before. You can choose a wide range of styles and finishes, even framed pictures!

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