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  1. Jew Lane (Fitzalan Sq)

    I'm not certain about the Earl's before George Talbot, but he would have had to have a considerable transport to move the the household to each of his properties, especially looking after Mary Stuart. She didn't travel light if you know what I mean. It was periodically required to move household for cleaning purposes. A wealthy man such as George would have had several coaches and horse teams. Mary alone would have had a coach to herself. Then her ladies in waiting another. Put simply anybody who had fine clothes to wear probably travelled in a coach. Mary Stuart alone had plenty of that type of servant. By such times surnames where just about fixed. So it's unlikely that a man would have been called Jehu from having a job as a coachman. It could have been a nickname for that type of tradesman. But I think still the most likely explanation is from at least the home of at least one Jewish person, or somebody having those traits. But maybe not Jewish. Or from someone called by that name. Name origins sometimes are not nice. For example a miller in the Poll Tax Returns of 1379 for the West Riding had the name Sh** Face!
  2. Hobbies, in St, Pauls gardens

    They moved the shop to Shalesmoor, I don't know if it is still there.
  3. Jew Lane (Fitzalan Sq)

    Looking at the 1736 map it doesn't look big enough for any traffic to hang around at. And I am torn at the idea it was used a lot by coachmen or taxi. I do like the idea that it was a first name of somebody.
  4. Jew Lane (Fitzalan Sq)

    Leader was a bit biased towards Mary Stuart. In fact if you read his own book it's very clear that George Talbot went over the top when Mary was brought to Sheffield, treating her too much as a Queen. Mary Stuart was NEVER imprisoned anywhere in Sheffield. She was housed in Sheffield under guard as protection. Something that she requested in her letter to Queen Elizabeth. Though she tends to forget this later on. However no historian should forget this. And if you look at George Talbot tomb in the Cathedral it confirms this. Leader was a newspaper owner and I suppose would have been familiar with cab driver tails. But like Edmund's explanation it lacks any collaborating evidence. Who would have recorded the coach driver saying that, then giving it the name to the lane? Indeed Leader's clearly made up explanation is likely to be the source of Edmund's reference. With some later historian claiming it as a likely source, with it being used by cab and coach drivers at that time. As for the spelling it fits in with the various spellings of Jewishness. It could have even been developed from the name of a Jewish person who lived in that very street. Somebody who had been given the surname of Jehu. It's not uncommon for streets to be named after people. Corker Bottoms Lane for example comes from the guy who owned the bottom fields the lane ran through.
  5. Jew Lane (Fitzalan Sq)

    Doesn't that apply only if there is no evidence of the use of the word to describe the road in question from a later date. Certainly the road was called "Jehu" in the 1771 Fairbank map. Therefore it would be the place where the Jewish area of the town would have been located. There being no commercial "cabs" around to use it. Indeed to me it looks like only a connection road not something cab companies would take. The fact that it turns into "Commercial Street" implies it was the centre of commercial activity and since the Jewish people would be at the forefront of this activity it stands a good chance of being the place where Jewish people were found. Many times alternative explanations are found for street and place names. Especially when the name is controversial. But I don't see the name being adopted from that explanation. And since the Cab Drivers were much more common when the name was already in use I think it's highly unlikely that a name would have caught on by this method. In any case it's more likely that the drivers would be more likely to ride recklessly going down the hill, rather than up it!
  6. George, 6th Earl of Shrewsbury

    Visited Hardwick Hall last Saturday. And in the guide book it says that some historians say that George might have had some kind of Dementia. Does anyone know who is saying this and in what publication or source?
  7. Did you manage to link your tree with the one in Hunter's Hallamshire?
  8. The Co-Op opposite the ABC Cinema

    Yes they had everything. We purchased a lot of electrical stuff from there. Going down to the food store was great too. They had a spit roaster. Mostly for chicken's, but sometimes they would roast a lamb or pork joint. They were beautiful. The gravy juices that run off them when you got them home, were just super on some bread. I had several slices of bread just dipping it up! The deli counter use to do a Pork and Pepper slice. Though several other stores did the same it never tasted as good as from there. Never seen it for years now, even in modern stores.
  9. The Old Pond Street Bus Station

    I remember speaking to one of the architects who designed the new bus station. He was saying during it's construction they uncovered lots of building remains from industrial works. There was lot of machinery left inside them. He said they were all covered back up and are still under the new station.
  10. Lost Attercliffe Cemetery, Zion Lane.

    Good cause! Will be sending a cheque to them soon.
  11. Para 510 (viii) KR

    Paragraph 510 in the King's Regulations. Could be something to do with being on the reserve list.
  12. Jew Lane (Fitzalan Sq)

    It will be in land records that the buildings are on. The alleyways and jennels are public rights of way or are owned by someone else. The owners of the threehold will only have the rights to build on the space that an old building was on. In my experience if you find a path which is narrow then it's very old. Even though much of the area around it could be quite modern. Sometimes the path has become a street or a road. But mostly they are left, perhaps in some cases as the developers couldn't find who it belonged to and therefore left it in.
  13. Tunnels under Sheffield

    Many of the tunnels reported where in fact large drains. Some of which were used for water supply. The who area of the park and towards Handsworth is also full of old mine workings. And yes you could go down the pit at Handsworth and come out at Nunnery or Woodthorpe, since they were connected. But there was no tunnels that ever lead from the Manor Lodge to anywhere.
  14. The Farm

    Must have been after the 15 September 1851 as that is when Victoria opened to the public. It doesn't mention it as being new either. The "new park" would have been Norfolk Park.
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