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  1. It is up for sale I believe. Now if Chinese developer wanted to make a grade 5* hotel there is the perfect building. It is large enough not to need extending. Why anyone in the Council thought the Central Library was a good idea is beyond me. I believe the architect was copying an Italian Villa design. Can't understand why such a beautiful building struggles to be occupied.
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    Suffrage

    It all depends what you are talking about Suffragettes, Suffragists or women Chartists who became a female political association. In the 1880s it revived partly from the Wilsons, Mrs fighting against the prostitution laws that could imprison a woman without trial deemed to be a prostitute in a hospital. Definition was pretty loose of what constituted a prostitute and could be a woman simply in the wrong place at the wrong time as the government had put in curfews. So many a law abiding decent living woman found herself locked away. Most of the activity re Suffrage at that time seems to have been in Attercliffe. The Suffragettes seem to have formed in 1909. Re the Wilson's there was Helen Wilson, the first woman GP and her mother, and another relative.
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    Women's Rights

    My piece is linked to Chartism which represented everybody. However Male Chartists then dropped the idea that women should get the vote (except in Sheffield) It was the strong male support in Sheffield that helped the women continue. If it had not been for the women in Sheffield lobbying and pushing women probably would still been waiting to get the vote. Their strong lobbying continuing through the women steelworkers got women the vote. There is a clear narrative. I do believe that the working class women trade unions helped push the barriers for all working class people to get the vote.
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    Women's Rights

    I understand that women steel workers meant a huge increase of women being in a Union for first time. The Union argued that women who were doing identical work should be paid identical pay. I imagine from the men's point of view that they supported them to prevent men being undercut when they came back from the front. There seems a strong link between the women trade unions especially in the steelworks and shipyards and the Suffragists that would suggest it wasn't the Suffragettes that gained the vote for women but the quiet power of Suffragists and Trade Unions. The Suffragettes did not want women to do war work but the Suffragists were for it, and seemed to have negotiated a deal. I suspect that there is a lot more working class history to women getting the vote than the usual middle class Pankhurst history we get. It is significant that Adela who lived in Sheffield became a strong trade unionist supporter.
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    Women's Rights

    I understand what you are saying but really if we were to celebrate total suffrage 1918 wouldn't be the date for anybody as only certain women got the vote in 1918, but the fact is it was the first time Women in the UK got the vote. Some men could vote already, no women could till then, so that is why the emphasis is on women. Also the women's national movement started in Sheffield, the men's move to national suffrage did not. There is so much that started in Sheffield and sparked the rest of the world such as the start of the TUC and so many inventions and innovations. My whole point is that Sheffield has an important part in history. Its not about Gender. Its about what happened here that influenced a nation.
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    Mary Ann Rawson's grave

    The legal documents are all signed and the Cemetery is now in the hands of Friends of Zion Cemetery and safe.
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    Women's Rights

    Apparently Sheffield Council doesn't know that Sheffield is where the national movement for women's rights started. They failed to respond to the governments letter asking places that were important to women's suffrage to apply for funding to place memorials and have events to celebrate their history. The money allocated was into several £ms, the largest grant allocated was around £1.2m. Sheffield won't be getting any funding despite the fact that without Sheffield there would be no celebration in first place. I've put together a blog to try and explain the history behind the historic moment. https://sheffieldtimewalk.wordpress.com/2018/01/13/sheffield-the-road-to-womens-rights/
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    Mary Ann Rawson's grave

    I went there on Heritage Open Day. A lot of still readable gravestones that spell out the some of the amazing history of Attercliffe. It has the potential of being used both as a heritage site but also keeping the haven it is for wildlife. I see it as a springboard to promoting both Attercliffe's unique history as well as giving Mary Ann Rawson and the other women abolitionists a more prominent part in the history books.
  9. https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/ziongraveyardattercliffe?utm_id=107&utm_term=GNBDrjwRP I think it is criminal that Mary Ann Rawson's grave could end up under a carpark. It is pretty bad that so much of the history of Attercliffe is crumbling and often unknown, but Mary Ann Rawson as a woman abolitionist is of international importance. 2018 is also the centenary of women getting the vote in the UK and Heritage Open Days are concentrating on the remarkable women in Sheffield. Would be great if we had ownership of the graveyard by then and could go on to promote this remarkable woman and of course the history of Attercliffe.
  10. Problem is that yes it suggests it is a tudor house but there are no documents I can find for it earlier than 1840s.
  11. I can't find a mention of Andover Street before 1851 so am assuming cottage was on its own before. However looking at Sheffield Indexers trade indexes there seems to be more than one house in Andover Street so confused. Finding houses for rent in Andover Street it says they belong to Duke of Norfolk so maybe there are some records of properties for Duke of Norfolk in the Sheffield Archives? Also in local studies they have a file of houses that came up for sale (estate agent type thing). Might be a description of the cottage and map or possibly the new houses built in 1850s that may have detail and name of the cottage within the building plan.
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    Chartist court case

    No it is very clear in the Newpaper article as the Daw. the dams are mentioned in other evidence.
  13. I'm trying to find out where the DAW was in Sheffield. The witness account says "On the night in question went with a party of dragoons towards Crook's moor. There is a place there called the Daw. Three men were found there. They ran off down the lane, and two of them got over the wall. The third ran on down the causeway." So was it an area, a pub or similar? The only thought I had was that could be Dawes wine shop in Meadow Street. But would they call it the Daw? Can't find a pub called the Daw or Jackdaw. So any ideas?
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    Norton History

    There isn't much of a Norton History Group these days due to not enough members. I am in touch with one if you want to DM me I can put you in touch but really Rev Geoffrey White is as good. He is part of Sheffield Indexers and his knowledge of Norton is unbeatable.
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    Joined up Heritage

    I would like to know if they were the same person that the farmer was feeding in Norton that was living in Backfields with a wife and child. I had wondered if he came to Sheffield because of the abolitionists who had lived in Sheffield and was looking for a safe house. There is no newspaper accounts I can find after he was in Norton area. It would be nice to know his story had a happy ending.
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