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  1. I'm posting to let you know that 'Gramps', my father Eric Howgate, died in early May following a short illness. We have only just started going through his PC and we can see that he was very active on this forum. Local and family history was one of his greatest pleasures in life.
  2. We have a local 'on-line' weather station at Norton. http://www.sheffieldweather.co.uk/ Current conditions at http://www.sheffieldweather.co.uk/meso2/index.html Click on any of the readings to see a record of obs for 1 hour up to 31 days. Records from 2002 are available from the 'Weather data' section link on the Home page. There is a limited data set of Weston Park records (monthly tMax, tMin) back to 1882 on the web somewhere...via a link on the Met Office site I think.
  3. The dairy on Bellhouse road belonged to B & C CoOp and I'm pretty sure it was still working in the early 1990s. I worked at their other dairy on Broughton lane for a few months in 1976. I remember all the waste milk from the creamery went as pig-swill - now it's sold for a premium price as skimmed milk in supermarkets. I remember the Express dairy on Broadfield road, next to Heeley Baths and I think S & E CoOp had a dairy in the Millhouses area - Archer road ?
  4. That 'towpath' is an ancient footpath from Heeley to Bramall lane - known as 'Cutler's Walk'
  5. Pot insulators for telephones lines were still in use as late as 2003. http://teleramics.com/inuse/inuse2003.html If that is a telegraph pole in the photo I doubt the date would be much earlier than 1890, which would make old Levi about 60 years old :)
  6. Always though that was a bit daft. Unless you knew what the destination of the previous tram/bus was how could you guess the 'duplicate' destination ?
  7. That's more info than Picture Sheffield have on it http://www.picturesheffield.com/cgi-bin/picturesheffield.pl?_cgifunction=form&_layout=picturesheffield&keyval=sheff.refno=s06133 But what is that pole on the causey edge ?? Did we have telegraph poles in 1878 ??
  8. There is an entry in the Burgery accounts for 1587 of 2/7d paid to the constable for the burying of a 'poore man that Dyed at the Coalepyttes'. The use of the plural does suggest bell-pits although the difference in height between Moorhead and Barkers Pool is about 30 feet so drift mining into the slope would also have been possible. The first mention of 'Colepitt' lane in the Burgery accounts is in 1674.
  9. My mistake....it does appear on the 1903 map And in Kelly's 1905 directory is listed as (un-numbered) Montgomery College, Samuel J. Lewis, principal. This college is completely new to me, - was it one of those small religious establishments ?
  10. I have it all scanned and OCR'd. Just have tidy up the remaining OCR output and get the index into tabular format.
  11. Numbered 295 on the 1950s map, but not shown on the 1905 map. 295 Cemetery Road Montgomery College; Arthur Reynolds Lee, principal (1925)
  12. I made a start on putting Past and Present into PDF format a while ago but put on hold when I realised the file would be quite a bit larger than the 2MB allowed for upload here. I suppose I could split it into two files and it would save Stuart having to scan and upload 300+ pages. Here's a sample....but I still have quite a bit of editing the OCR to do. OCR2.pdf Edit: - I would be interested to learn if this file can be read on a Mac and a Linux machine. I haven't embedded any fonts to save space and it relies on the user having Times Roman available.
  13. Invariably an accompaniment to our after school tea on Mondays. Cold roast from Sunday, bubble and squeak. Best with cold roast lamb...or was it mutton in those days ? Monday of course was 'washing day'. :)
  14. "John Brownell of Heeley, Sheffield in the parish of Sheffield, scythesmith, (brother and heir of Henry Brownell, scythesmith, deceased) to Henry Brownell his youngest son. A close in Heeley, Sheffield formerly called the Two days work and now Nether Dole, with a wood adjoining, for 10/-d" There was a small wood near Heeley Common called Brownell's Plantation so perhaps the Nether Dole field is the one adjacent to that (15 - 3.390 acres). It was there on the 1850s map too but not shown very clearly on my copy.
  15. And in 1905 Kelly's. Occupiers Farley, Thomas Henry Farley, Douglas Henry, german silver manufacturer
  16. Although some thirty years earlier Samuel Pepys had a successful operation for the removal of a stone from his bladder. Sounds like the surgeons were pretty good and the physicians were pretty bad he he
  17. The map in David Hey's book is a copy of Scurfield's map of 'The Great Parke'. I would say the old park boundary coincides pretty well with the ward and parish boundary between Sheffield and Handsworth on the maps of 1850 and 1905, so if you can find that on a modern map you should have a good guide to where to look for any remaining evidence.
  18. Would have been nice to see the Sheffield coat of arms on the side, probably too expensive.
  19. I wonder what the early occupants of Gatefield would have thought of what it later became ?? From - History of the Parish of St. Peter, Abbeydale, by Mary Walton and Gerald R. Mettam "Gatefield House in Abbeydale Road was part of the Younge estate. It was built on the Gatefield between 1833 and 1837 by Samuel Younge, the solicitor, who left his house in East Parade and lived in it until his father's death in 1850, when he moved to Edge End and let it first to James Sorby and then to Thomas Bagshaw Cockayne, who eventually bought it. He was then described as draper and general merchant, but his business developed into the very large department store which still includes the site of the original shop in Angel Street. The family lived at Gatefield House until Mrs. Cockayne died, a widow, in 1890. They were followed by Alfred Creswick, of private means, until 1925 and his widow until 1934. After standing empty for a while, the house was bought as premises for the Social Club which is still there."
  20. Can't take any credit for that ....Daniel Leader did the research and published it. I stumbled on the text following a lead from Bayleaf in his post http://www.sheffieldhistory.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=9597. A lot of the old Britarch articles are available on-line but only in plain text format. The OCR is a little primitive and needs quite a bit of editing to make it readable. If it's of interest Leader's book dealing with Mary's time in captivity in Sheffield is available from the Internet Archive (28MB download). "Mary queen of Scots in captivity: a narrative of events from January 1569, to December, 1584, Whilst George Earl of Shrewsbury was the guardian of the Scottish Queen" (1880) http://www.archive.org/download/maryqueenofscots00lead/maryqueenofscots00lead.pdf
  21. All I can be certain of these days is what I see may not be the same as what I think I see :unsure:
  22. A partial extract of J. D. Leader's paper read to the British Archaeological Association in 1874. I've left out the long tract about the incarceration of MQoS. "Sheffield Manor, or Sheffield Lodge, the scanty remains of which we inspected on Monday,can boast no high antiquity, nor lay claim, in an archaeological sense, to any long career. Built by the fourth Earl of Shrewsbury, about the year 1525, it has passed through a century of noontide splendour, a century of cold neglect, and nearly two centuries of decay. Until the death of Earl Gilbert in 1616, Sheffield Lodge was the favourite, if not the most magnificent seat of the Earls of Shrewsbury. From 1616 to 1706 it was habitable and occasionally inhabited, and from 1706 to the present day it has been steadily crumbling away. What it is now we have seen. Anything more squalid, more wretched, or more dangerous than the dwellings that have been formed out of its remains it would be difficult to conceive. Its smells excel those of Cologne in strength and variety, while the association of ancient luxury with modern filth is quite Egyptian in its character and thoroughly Irish in its details. " "The manor house was a stone, timber, and brick erection, with "an inward court and an outward court, two gardens and three yards." The chief entrance was'on the west side, between two lofty octagonal towers of stone and brick, from which a flight of steps led to the great hall, and thence northwards to the long gallery, which occupied the whole west front northward of the entrance gates, and terminated at the north-west angle of the building in a " goodlie" tower chamber, probably the best lodging in the house. On the south front were the chief- rooms of the mansion, the apart- ments being numerous but small ; and from the east end of this front the buildings returned for a short distance to- wards the north. In the enclosure between the tower chamber on the north, the long gallery on the west, and the range of buildings on the south, lay the garden, the original one of which, forming its eastern boundary, is still standing. Away to the east lay the stable yard, access to which was obtained by a gateway, which may still be seen nearly oppo- site the main entrance ; and among the buildings still stand- ing are interesting remains of a strongly timbered barn. Outside the south front lay a terrace garden, and between the main entrance and the present manor farm stretched a pleasant level lawn. Of the Manor Farm and its associations I shall have occasion to speak in a short time. Of the in- ternal arrangement of the Lodge we have little information. Probably an inventory of the furniture there and at the castle, made in 1582, and preserved among the Talbot papers at the College of Arms, gives the most complete ac- count that has come down to us, both of the apartments and their contents, and that is all too scanty to satisfy the curious enquirer after the relics of Sheffield's feudal age. From this we learn that there was the great gallery on the west, in which the fallen Wolsey paced with his kindly host ; the tower chamber containing two fair corded bedsteads of in- laid work, in which my Lord Cardinal slept ; the great chamber, with its cistern of alabaster ; the queen's gallery with its ashen table ; the queen's chamber and her " utter" chamber ; the nursery containing " a fair square chest inlaid wnth white bone made by my Lord Francis with the Talbot and F. S.," almost spoiled through evil using ; the porter's lodge, the chamber over the stable ; the kitchens and lard- ers ; a wash-house and a low wash-house, a pantry, brew- house, and Ijakehousc, besides the workmen's chamber, the saddler's chamber, and several others. A mere enumeration of rooms, even if we add the information that the walls were hung with tapestry representing the story of Hercules, the story of the Passion, and other religious and classic his- tories ; that there were Turkey carpets, embroidered bed hangings, crimson and velvet cushions, and chairs covered witii purple velvet and embroidered with cloth of gold, with crimson silk and silver, and some with cloth of tissue, does not possess absorbing interest, nor single out this Manor house from among other houses for our special attention. " "If the members of this Association had visited Sheffield Manor a few months ago, and had enquired for the Queen of Scots' room, they would have been shown by the farmer's wife the two chambers on the upper floor ; the outer one occupied by a few old boxes and quite dark, the inner one lighted by a modern sash window on the east side, but adorned with a rich heraldic ceiling, and over the walled-up fireplace was an almost illegible plaster cast of the arms of Talbot. The old plaster floor was still entire, if a little un- even. In some places the rain was finding its way through the roof, and the room had a melancholy appearance of de- cay, strangely contrasting with its ancient luxury. A few years more and this portion of Shefheld Manor would have been as ruinous as the rest. Fortunately our noble Presi- dent, [the Duke of Norfolk] ever alive to the obligations, as well as to the rights of property, visited the place in company with Mr. Hadtield, his architect, and after spending a considerable time in ex- amining the details, gave orders for its careful restoration. The result we have just seen. The modern disfigurements of the old house have been removed. The barns that hid the south side have been taken down, and the cottage that abuts upon the north, will follow as soon as the works are a little more advanced. The modern windows, doors, and fireplaces have been taken out, and the old lights opened both on the east and west fronts. The door at the foot of the turret stair, which has been hidden for two centuries under a coating of stucco, has been restored. The door near the south end of the east front was until now disguised as a window. reverently and carefully the old work has been preserved, and only where absolutely necessary has new material been introduced, and when all is completed this interesting historical fragment will have taken a new lease of life."
  23. Welcome to the forum James. Until the 19th. century when the council bought the rights to the markets in Sheffield they were entirely in the hands of the Lord of the Manor. In medieval times there were stict rules for producers bringing stuff for sale to the market and anyone found 'forestalling' faced a hefty penalty as the Lord of the Manor extracted a fee from traders attending the market. Below is an extract from R E Leader's book Sheffield in the 18th. Century, published in 1905, which describes the market as it existed shortly before the first Market Hall was erected, as well as a plan of the market. The site is now mainly occupied by the Primark clothing store "The markets, as they existed from the re-building in 1786 to 1851, when the Norfolk Market Hall was opened, have been frequently described, and are remembered by so many of our older townsfolk, that it is hardly necessary to dwell on them here. What, as less known, is of greater interest is to endeavour to recall the conditions which existed prior to the earlier date. Details of the negotiations between the leading inhabitants and the Earl of Surrey, which led to an Act of Parliament being obtained in 1784 for the improvement of the markets, are in existence. Amid a multitude of proposals for the best way of utilising the space, they make clear the topography of the old Market Place, and throw much light on the manner in which it was occupied. The accompanying plan (page 164) will give the reader a far better idea of the curiously irregular arrangement of the old market buildings and the surrounding streets than can be obtained from any verbal description. The lines of the numerous market tenements, and of King Street and the Fruit Market, show a survival of the happy-golucky indifference of the old days to symmetry, and of the manner in which houses were placed anyhow, according to the fancy of the builders and the long-suffering of their neighbours. The Market Cross stood at the top, not in the centre, but somewhat nearer to Change Alley than to King Street, and below it the wooden sheds or stalls of the butchers ran, some down, then others across. As Wills says: The shambles, most dismal, were then made of wood, The sheds of the stalls, almost closing amain, Form'd an archway for customers out of the rain; Down the centre a channel the filth to convey; And some lighted candles, almost at midday. The more permanent erections, of all shapes and sizes—sale- shops, workshops, houses, warehouses, brew-houses, and what not occurred below them in the most promiscuous manner, now receding, now projecting, and occasionally separated by narrow passages. One block, the shop of Mr. Robert Lambert, grocer, at the north-west corner of King Street, stood boldly detached, with thoroughfares all round. Below it, the buildings on both sides of the present Shambles area trended east by north, making the bottom end of Pudding Lane (King Street) very narrow where it joined Bull Stake (Old Haymarket), while on the other (now Fitzalan Square) side, the buildings receded so far as to leave an open space used as the Swine Market, and opposite to this (afterwards Market Street) stood the gruesome slaughter-houses—"a nuisance to all that pass'd by the place." The ownership was not less mixed and complicated than the planning. To the Town Trustees belonged the whimsically shaped holding, V., which, with frontages to the Swine Market on the one hand, and to King Street on the other, meandered through the Town Burgesses' plots, numbered III. and IV. on the plan. Then Robert Lambert held the freehold of I., and of a block (II.) completely wedged in, except for one small corner, by the buildings of the Earl of Surrey, who owned all not above specified. The claims of four owners had thus to be reckoned with before any harmonious improvement could be carried out. Eventually, by exchange or purchase, the whole came into the Earl's hands. Various schedules were prepared showing the numbers of persons who had shops, houses, stalls fixed, and standings removable in the Market. It is not always possible to harmonise the figures in the different statements, nor is it perhaps of much consequence. What is of interest is the various avocations of their occupiers. Thus the tenants of houses included dyers, coopers, fruiterers, hardwaremen, hatters, gardeners, breeches-makers, and flax-dressers. There is rmention, too, of an inn called " The Coach and Six," on the site of which it was proposed to build corner shops. Stalls and standings were occupied, in addition to the trades already mentioned, by pelt-mongers, shoemakers, tanners, hucksters, hosiers, hatters, fishmongers, staymakers, one bookseller, and, of course, butchers. Seventy-six stalls are enumerated as standing in the streets adjoining the Markets, and High Street, up to the Church Gates, was lined with the stalls of vendors of many of the commodities above specified, but more especially of earthenware, interspersed with old shoes, gingerbread, cheese, and bacon. There stood, too, carts with fruit and garden-stuff. Each tradesman had his position exactly defined. Thus there were three "before the front of Mr. Bayley's house," four in front of Mr. Wreaks's, and so on. These, with the addition of farmers' wives, with their baskets of butter and eggs, round the Market Cross, indicate the state of things on market days. At the fairs there were, in addition, 28 cheesemongers and farmers with cheese, 60 clothiers, linen-drapers, sellers of gingerbread; toys and hardware "too numerous to mention." One list has been preserved which indicates the whole of the salesmen in the town occupying the property of the Lord of the Manor, and it is worth quoting. Shops in the Shambles, 38; stalls in the Market, movable, 45; shops in different parts of the town, 5; stalls in the public streets, 7; shops under their dwelling-houses (in High Street, Fargate, Burgess Street, Townhead Cross, etc.), 13; total, 108. There is a notion that the market arrangements above described had come into vogue as an improvement on the earlier state of things existing up to about the middle of the century. It has been asserted that prior to that time the parish stocks (afterwards removed to the Church Gates), and the pillory, had been contiguous to the Market Cross, which is said to have been rebuilt in 1568, and again in 1741 about the time when the Townhead Cross was taken down. This, however, is tradition rather than history, and all we can say with certainty is that any earlier change in the markets must have taken place before 1736, because Gosling's plan shows the state of things which continued until 1786 as already in existence in that year. We are not, however, wholly without glimpses of more ancient trading incidents. Thus, in 1578, the town miller was punished heavily by the Jury of the Sembly Quest for using a toll-dish of more generous dimensions than was allowed by ancient'custom, and so taking an undue share of the corn brought to him to grind; and about the same period Gilbert, Earl of Shrewsbury, although enforcing resolutely the privilege of requiring his tenants to have their corn ground at the lord's mill, showed himself in other respects to be an enlightened free trader; for, in 1608, he issued this edict: "Whereas the town of Sheffeld consisteth of handicraftsmen in greate numbers who have no means to make their provision but only in the markett, and that the cuntrie thereaboutes affoardeth not sufficient stoare of white meates, chiefly butter and cheese to serve that towne, and that there is one Elizabeth Heywood, of Sheffeld, widowe, an honest substanciall woman, who resoarteth to the toune of Ashbourne, and diverse other markettes where there is extraordinary quantities of those kind of victualles by reason of the fertilitie and goodness of the soile adjoyninge; and there buyinge such stoare of butter and cheese as shee is able, bringeth the same to Sheffeld, where she uttereth them, whereby she benefitteth both the places where she buyeth them, and likewise the saide Toune of Sheffeld, where she uttereth them. And yet nevertheles is troubled by certeyne promoters who rather seeke their owne benefitt than any good to the cuntrie. I have thought good att the said widowe's request, hereby to signifie to the better sort that my opinion is shee doethe no harme, but much good in this her soe doinge, and doe wish that shee might not bee anie more causlesly troubled as heretofore shee hath beene. " Given at Sheffeld lodge this fourteenth daie of February, "G1LL. SHREWSBURY" If the markets had undergone beneficial change before the middle of the century, they were assuredly fully ripe for further extension and amelioration in 1784. The Shambles (using the word, as was and is the Sheffield custom, in its original sense of a place not for killing, but as the stalls where meat is exposed for sale) were swept away, along with the slaughter-houses, which were relegated to Lady's Bridge, while the cattle and swine were sent to the Wicker. All the old tenements were removed, the streets were widened and lheir frontages straightened, and there arose the buildings so many of us remember as existing prior to the erection, in 1855, of the Shambles of to-day. " Plan of Market in 1784 KEY 1O PLAN OF MARKET PLACE IN 1784 I. and II. Robert Lambert's Freehold. III. and IV. Church Burgesses' Freehold. V. Town Burgesses' Freehold. All the remainder, Earl of Surrey's Freehold. Tenants:— 1. Ann Genn. 17 William Jeeves. 1A.Joseph Hancock. 19. Andrew Taylor. 2. Robert Swann. 20. Thomas Longden, or Robert 3. Joseph Vickers. Lambert. 4. John Bingley. 21. Isaac Birks, or Robert Lambert. 5, 6, 10, 14, 28. Empty. 22. Isaac Birks, Brewhouse 7. William Woolmer. 23. Joshua Roberts or Wm Wright 8. John Barber. 24. Samuel Goodlad 9. Late Hannah Firth's (Grocer) 25. William Champion Warehouse. . 26. Geo. Swan and Alex. Smith or 11. John Hardy. Jos. Matthewman and Wm. Burton. 12 and 18. Peter Cockayne. 13 John Swinden and John Wilson 27. Joseph Machin 15. William Walmsley. 29. William Wiley. 16 Dan White, or Thomas Hirst. 30. Robert Lambert, Grocer. Other tenants, sites not indicated: George France, Joseph Mower, - Gregory. N.B. - Alternative names represent changes in tenancy, or perhaps tenant and owner.
  24. A little different to their appearance almost two hundred years ago.
  25. The 1950s map shows the property as Heeley Common Cottages and also seems to show the steps you mentioned earlier. I imagine it would have once been a farm with cottages for the workers I notice that further out along Gleadless road (just before the junction with Ridgeway) there is a small estate with four streets named 'Battle' - Battle road, Battle avenue, Battle drive and Battle way. Perhaps a connection with that family ?
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