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  1. In no particular order: I remember taking a girl (who I had a thing for) to Biba on High Street, just below the entrance to Chapel Walk, to buy her a Biba Diary that she was desperate for. That was 1976. There was a Laura Ashley by the Peace Gardens in the 1980s. Dixon's on The Moor, which actually sold sportswear and trainers upstairs. Maurice Bywaters, the "cut price" jewellers in Castle Yard (?) just off Fargate. Rare and Racey on Division Street - is it still there? A golf shop on Norfolk Row which was there for a few years from about 1976. Name anyone? K W Hawley Tools, just off The Moor. Ken Hawley was a very well known industrial historian, a Sheffield version of Fred Dibnah. I had a Saturday job there in 1975. Johnny Fantham's barbers shop on Division Street. The SWFC shop in Orchard Square. The SWFC kiosk on Angel Street Spoils, on Church Street - household goods. Guns n Ammo, on the Wicker, (honestly). The first Virgin Records store at Moorfoot. Opened in about 1973, after The Moor was pedestrianised, and the Manpower Services Commission Building made that whole area a concrete wilderness, (well done the Socialist Republic of South Yorkshire). Did they only sell copies of Tubular Bells? Pu$$y Power, and two different locations for Robert Brady, on Ecclesall Road. Uncle Sam's Chuck Wagon, and Yankee's, both on Ecclesall Road, (should be in restaurants section). What was the similar American Diner type place at the bottom of Glossop Road, close to the top of West Street, (1980s)? Big Brown (I kid you not!). A sportswear shop in the precinct on Ecclesall Road, opposite the bottom of Greystones Road, (1970s). The Chocolate Box, just above Carterknowle Road, on Ecclesall Road South, (maybe still there?). Three here I need help with: What was the expensive menswear shop, (1970s/80s) at the bottom of Barkers Pool, next door to Fatorini's the jewellers? Incidentally, Fatorini's made the FA Cup, as well as the new replacement FA Cup in the 90s. You know the little alleyway which cut through from High Street, (below The Old Blue Bell), into Hartshead Square? It came out just above the entrance to The Dove and Rainbow. Well when I was VERY young, in the late 60s, there was a men's hairdressers down that alleyway, on the RHS, which was THE place to get your hair cut. Anyone know the name? There was a fantastic shoe shop near Manor Top on City Road, which sold seconds of really expensive shoes. They also had a small outlet in the arcade at Darnall, Staniforth Road/Greenland Road. I still own a pair of 100% leather cowboy boots I got there in the 80s. Not worn them in a while. :-)
  2. Any of the crowd around who frequented The Wagon in the 1976 to 1982 era? There were 40 or 50 of us, all aged around 16, 17, 18, in '76/'77. Most of us had graduated from Dobcroft Youth Club to The Wagon. Some disappeared over time, but most of us migrated to The Millhouses Hotel when The Wagon was refurbished and became a food pub in around 1982ish. The Millhouses had been an old gippers pub, with about five small rooms and a grand piano, but it was also refurbished, and became our new hangout at about the same time they ruined The Wagon.
  3. This is a song by Arlo Guthrie, son of Woody Guthrie. I have it on an album, (I think the album is Alice's Restaurant), which I bought in Wilson Peck music store, in about 1975 or 76 - just a few yards from where The Buccaneer had been. I don't remember the name of that particular song. I was far too young to ever go in The Buccaneer, but I do remember a huge pirate outside the Leopold Street door, which isn't in the photo at the top of the thread. Does anyone else remember this? I think it was sitting down in a huge chair, and it may have had a hook for a hand. Was it made of plastic, wood, plaster? It was certainly there in the last two or three years before they demolished The Grand Hotel. I spent 1979 to 1984 working on the 7th floor of the Fountain Precinct, so the Pig & Whistle, (later the Fountain Bar), which occupied the physical space of The Buccaneer, became a regular after-work drinking hole, and Josephine's felt like it was "our" sports & social club.
  4. I have vague memories of Crazy Daizy, from around 1977/78. It was still all Roxy Music and Bowie the few times I went. Maybe punk & reggae were different nights. My main memory is the arched ceiling and alcoves. I went in at lunchtime a couple of times in 1983, by which time it was The Geisha Bar. Was it really ever called the Lowenbrau? I thought that was the later name of the Hofbrauhaus on Arundel Gate - which is the one that had lunchtime strippers in the late 70s. Later to become Berlins. What was the name of the small bar on the corner of Arundel Gate and Furnival Gate, around the early 90s? Tucked away behind all the concrete stairs and steel barriers, keeping people off the dual carriageway / underpass / roundabout?
  5. When I started going to night clubs with friends, aged around 16/17, in 1976/77, we pretty quickly discovered, there were three clubs worth paying to get in. Turnups at Nether Edge was great during the week, largely because it was mostly local people, and there would always be people there that you knew. It seemed a much more relaxed place because of that. If you wanted a great night, listening to great music, you went to The Limit. You could wear anything, even jeans, and it was about 30% cheaper than everywhere else. But if you wanted to meet girls - the kind of girls we wanted to meet - girls you asked out on a date, you went to Josies. I was hitting that place pretty hard on Fridays or Saturday nights for about three years, 1979, 80, 81. I hated having to wear a suit and tie, and I really hated the cr@ppy disco music they played in there - years after disco music was as dead as a dodo, but that's what you had to do, and girls didn't dance to The Clash, or Elvis Costello. I just don't recognise many of the comments and recollections above. Maybe the gangsters and hookers came later? From 1981, I was in a three year relationship, (met her in Josies), so stopped going. I only went there another four or five times through the 80s. By 1985, you could get in just wearing a shirt and trousers, but the shirt still had to have a collar. Weirdly, we did go one more time, in around 2002 or 2003, on a night out in town, we decided to give it a try, for old times sake. I can't say it had really changed in the previous 20 years. It looked exactly the same, and they were still playing Michael Jackson and Bee Gees rubbish.
  6. Turnups at Nether Edge closed in (I would say) 1980. The local residents got it closed down, due to the noise at chucking out time. They opened a new Turnups on Commercial Street in town the following year, in the former British Gas showrooms and offices - it was CR*P! I walked past Mr. Kites just a couple of months ago, for the first time in years. I was wondering if it would still be there. It's still a wine bar, of sorts, but it's a different name now. We used to go in there a lot during the 80s. I have a feeling that it was still Mr. Kites well into the 90s, but I can't be certain. Yes, Michel's was the bar under The Beauchief Hotel. Named after the owner, a Frenchman called Michel. He had a big Petinque (Boules) competition in the car park every Bastille Day, or on the closest Sunday. Teams of four. We won it one year, maybe "86 or '87. Think we won a medal on a ribbon and a bottle of wine. No cash! Another good reason for voting for Brexit.
  7. Yep, it was Fiveways Motel, and the night club was Fanny's. Last time I went to Fanny's was definitely '87. The beginnings of "House Music". First time I went to the Whitbreads pub/restaurant, was '90 or '91. I'm pretty sure it was called Moorlands then, but I wouldn't rule out it having another name inbetween those two. Fanny's became less popular when closing time was extended to 11:00 everywhere. Before then, lots of people went out to Derbyshire at weekends for the 11:00 closing time, and went to Fanny's on the way back. I seem to remember a number 24 bus which left for Sheffield at 12:00? Or was it later? If you missed it, you could walk two miles to Totley, and there was a later one from there. Would a motel require 6000 gallons of water per day? Doesn't sound too excessive if they are busy, and running at full capacity.
  8. Pretty sure some of those banners are actually West Germany tricolours (flags). West Germany played their group games at Hillsborough in 1966, I never knew any of them were night matches, but if you think about it, one or two of them would have to of been. That would explain why it's still daylight at 19:46 too.
  9. FA Cup 6th round, vs Southampton, March 1984. Sunday afternoon. A 0-0 draw. Wednesdays first ever live TV game, (in the live TV era), if I remember correctly. Also Wednesdays first ever game with a shirt sponsor I think, (Crosby Kitchens). We got rammed in the replay, (5-1?), but we also won promotion back to the 1st Division after 14 years. Second place to Chelsea. Newcastle scraped in third, and Man City lost out in fourth place - no play-offs back then. Whatever happened to them three? We beat Newcastle's average home gate by about 1,000 that season. What do they average now? 55,000?
  10. Had the pace of a cheetah for a couple of years. 22 goals for Wednesday three years running. Grew up in Leigh, Lancashire. Sister played hockey for England. Signed from Coventry, (£100,000 was it?). Remember the FA Cup Qtr-final at Burnley, 1983. Bannister was going past Burnley centre-half, (Frank Casper?), at about 65 MPH, so Casper just rammed his elbow into Bannisters face. Went down like a wet bath mat with a broken cheekbone. Just about got fit to play in the semi-final against Brighton three weeks later. Our best striker, rusty and not fully fit. Another reason we didn't play Man Utd in the final that year. From 1985 to 1988, I saw him play for QPR maybe 20 times, having a close relative who was at QPR then. I always looked forward to seeing the old Gary Bannister who had been so devastating for three years at Wednesday. But not one time did I see it. Still a good player, but that lightning spark had gone. We did well replacing him with Imre Varadi. We got the best of both of them.
  11. Very good left winger. Scored one, (or was it two?), in the 1964 FA Cup Final for West Ham, (WHU 4-2 Preston), alongside Bobby Moore, Martin Peters, Geoff Hurst, (did Jimmy Greaves also play in that Final?). My best memory of Sissons was scoring a great goal at the Kop end when we beat that great QPR team 4-2 early in the 1972-73 season. The season QPR and Burnley ran away with the second division. QPR had Bowles, Leach, Givens, Thomas, Francis, Parkes, etc. Left Wednesday for Norwich I think. Dooley replaced him with Willie Henderson, who was a right winger, but set Hillsborough on fire for a few months. Football was just BETTER in the 70s and 80s.
  12. Peter Springett really wasn't that bad. Both he and Peter Grumitt were fairly solid GKs for Wednesday for around five years. It was the whole team that were bad. In terminal decline is a more accurate way of putting it. Incidentally, I saw Wednesday play five different goalkeepers, in five consecutive matches, and all five called Peter! P. Springett (injured) P. Grumitt (injured & replaced by) P. Eustace (2nd half) P. Shilton (testimonial at Bramhall Lane) P. Fox (broke his finger on his debut) Then back to Springett, (or was it Grumitt) . . . . . and repeat. The photo (top), was the last time we ever won at Highbury I believe. I think we've won more at Wembley!
  13. What a photo this is! JF was in the England squad which went to Chile for the 1962 World Cup. My mate Mick Motley was his golf partner at Hallamshire Golf Club in the 90s and early 2000s. He still does hold the (old course) course record at Beauchief Golf Club. 62 I think. Some of the old guys in the 90s who knew him, said that he regularly drove the 1st green. That's well over 300 yards, uphill, with old wooden headed drivers and old wound balls! I reckon the photo (top), must be his testimonial, against Sheffield United, and it looks like he must have played for United in the first half. When I started work, (at The Fountain Precinct, Barkers Pool), in 1979, I used to see him through the window of his barbers shop at the bottom of Division Street most mornings. Gave me a thrill, knowing that I'd seen him play at Hillsborough in 1966/67 ish. Even though I had no real memory of it. A true Wednesday legend - a word that is used far too lightly, about people who are nothing of the sort.
  14. I've seen this photo before, and all I can think is, WHERE THE HELL IS IT? Was there some sort of old pub type building at Middlewood Road? Could it have been at the team hotel the day before the actual final? It is the actual eleven which played in the final, and judging by the smiles, it's before the game was played. It just looks such an odd location.
  15. By the way . . . . . . . . . . how many times do I have to apply to join OwlsTalk, before some fascist stops deleting my applications, and someone else, (sometime this millennium) actually validates my account?
  16. I have lots of memories of JP. He got his chance when Terry Curran got a ban following his sending off, (which triggered the Oldham Riot), in September 1980. JP scored the winner in a 1-0 win over QPR at Hillsborough the following week. Although I'm not sure whether that was actually his Wednesday debut. Always a little bit in the shadow of Andy Mac during his time at Hillsborough, but who wouldn't have been? Andy Mac was close to being the perfect player for a couple of years. Never gave less than 100℅, never put a foot wrong. JP's move to Charlton saw him at his peak. He scored a shedfull for them. Big mates with Keith Edwards he is. Both at Leeds together, and later Radio Sheffield. I've played golf with Keith Edwards a hundred times, (don't worry, we used to give him plenty), and this summer, just gone, I played Captains Day at Beauchief Golf Club with JP. Took me four holes to realise it was THE John Pearson. Which was quite an improvement on two weeks earlier, when it took me 8 holes at Abbeydale to realise I was playing with THE Chris Woods!
  17. Sorry Zep, Don Revie didn't leave Leeds for the England job until the summer of 1974. After Leeds won the League title (in '74), and after Alf Ramsey had failed to get England qualified for the 1974 World Cup. "Gertcha . . . . When the Poles knock England out the cup . . . . Gertcha" (Chas 'n Dave). Jimmy Armfield followed Brian Clough in September or October '74. Taking them to the 1975 European Cup Final against Bayern Munich. He was there four years, and was the last decent manager they had until Howard Wilkinson. The official crowd for the Santos game was 40,000, but thousands got in for free, and it was usual practice to under-declare in those days, to minimise the tax liability. I rremember The Star reporting that Santos left Hillsborough with a briefcase stuffed with £10,000 in cash. That must be roughly the equivalent of around £2m today.
  18. SE! South East corner. Looking back towards the city centre. What used to be the main entrance to the South Stand and offices etc., prior to the South Stand being practically rebuilt in the late 90s. I'm not disputing it, but is this definitely Penistone Road? It just looks odd that the ground across the road drops away quite sharply. It definitely doesn't today. Not that much anyway.
  19. Correct FredMc. Myself and my two mates from St. Paul's school, are either obscured by the referee, or just by his right elbow. However, my memory of the "ricochet" goal, (just a few yards from where we were standing), was that it was a penalty area "hoof" clearance by Holsgrove, (or possibly Prophett). What I do know for sure, is that it smacked the Santos player square on the kneecap, on the 18 yard line, looped back over eight or nine players, and dropped under the crossbar. A complete freak of a goal. I have absolutely no memory of the other goal, except that it was also at the Leppings Lane end. It was my first time back at Hillsborough since my Dad had taken me three or four times in the mid/late sixties, (when I was far too young to appreciate it). I remember him telling me to sit and watch the football, when all I wanted to do was run up and down the concrete stairs in the cantilever stand, (why doesn't anyone call it that anymore?). I couldn't believe how small the stadium seemed, or how close the players were, compared to how I remembered, from when I was just six or seven. Our headmaster, Mr. Fitzpatrick, had said at assembly that morning, that anyone who had a ticket, could have it checked and go to the match. We were threatened with serious trouble if we just disappeared off to Hillsborough. But that didn't stop us, or dozens of others in our year. Apart from the following morning, our form teacher, (a grinning Mr. Lockwood), asking where we had been the previous afternoon, nothing happened! Pretty sure we paid 25p on the gate to get in. My Dad gave me some money that morning, but ONLY if the school were allowing people the afternoon off. We used our school bus passes on several bus's that day. Including routes which they weren't valid for. But all the bus's were so packed, the conductors didn't pay much attention. My Mum gave me a bit of a telling off, but my Dad told her not to worry about it - my older brother had been to the first Santos game, ten years earlier. The following season (1972/73), beginning with a 3-0 victory over Fulham, on a beautiful sunshine & blue sky, Hillsborough, August, Saturday afternoon, was my first as a fully-fledged, blue-blooded Owl! All downhill from there. Or at least it seems like it, most of the time. UTO!
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