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  1. Thanks S24.

    I must be remembering something wrong, but I'm not sure what.

    I know that I visited the Hillsborough cinema (probably just once), when I was very young in the 1960s, but I can't be certain what the film was.

    I know for certain that I saw the Disney film (with Zipadeedoohdah, Don't throw me in the briar patch/Born and bred in a briar patch, etc.), also when I was very young, (I remember I found it a little slow, not enough action).  It may have been at The Essoldo, Lane Top.  But we moved away from that area in 1969 when I was nine yrs old, and I never went to The Essoldo again.

    Obviously it wasn't 1956, and I'm certain it wasn't 1972/73.  Could it have been some kind of Disney musical compilation film?  Although I don't think it was.  I specifically remember the Uncle Remus character, with the birds and butterflies, on the film posters inside, and outside the cinema.

    One thing I can say, is that the "Anchors Aweigh" dance sequence, appeared in the Family Guy episode, 'Road to Rupert', and although Brian featured heavily in that episode, (being a Brian & Stewie 'Road' episode), only Stewie appeared in the dance sequence.



  2. Devonshire Street, 7th July 1981.  Rare & Racey is the last shopfront visible on the left.  I'm sure I remember the entrance to Mr. Kite's being further to the left, in the middle of the frontage.


  3. 1 hour ago, madannie77 said:

    unfortunately Rare & Racy closed in June 2017 :(

    Yes, oddly enough, I drove up Division Street and Devonshire Street, for the first time in years last Friday.  Rare & Racey is still showing the old signs and shop name, but it was obviously closed down for good.

    Further to previous posts in this thread, Mr, Kite's is still a wine bar/bistro type place.  I only glimpsed it as I went by, but it looked like the name was Green, (taken from Devonshire Green perhaps?).

  4. On 22/05/2011 at 13:01, DaveH said:

    The "Song of the South", - now there's a rare classic Disney film.

    Currently the film is almost unavailable and is never likely to be shown on TV due to its "political incorrectness" on race. It's a childrens film (Brere fox and Brere rabbit, Uncle Reamus...) but has been branded for broadcast and showing in the same category as "The Black and White Minstrel Show"

    What is particularly interesting about this film, made in 1958 (I think) is the scene in which Uncle Reamus sings the song "Zip a dee doo dah". At one time it was always being shown. Interesting because it combines live action (Uncle Reamus) with cartoon animation (birds and insects) and, in true Disney cartoon quality, the two interact almost magically as though they were one, as the birds and insects fly around Uncle Reamus's head, land on his hat, even on his finger. Sheer brilliance!!! Who did they manage to do that???

    A recent TV documentary would have you believe that the first use of live action interacting with animated cartoon characters was in "Mary Poppins", and cites the scene in which wee pipe Van Dyke dances with a load of cartoon penguins. This was made 6 years after Song of the South and it's effect could easily have been achieved by rear projection or bluescreening as although wee pipe van Dyke dances in time with the penguins the 2 never make contact with each other and appear independent of each other.

    It is not even in the same leage of quality as Song of the South.

    Found this interesting, as well as S24's following post.

    I saw Song Of The South with my Dad, one wet bank holiday afternoon in the late 60s.  Possibly at the Essoldo, Lane Top, S5, but I have a feeling it was at the white tiled cinema on, or just off, Middlewood  Road, near the top of Leppings Lane/Catch Bar Lane, (name anyone?).  But I would never have remembered the film title without reading this thread.

    Regarding the live action/animated scenes.  I'm not suggesting it's earlier than the Disney examples given, but surely the Gene Kelly live/animated dance sequence was years before Mary Poppins?  I'm not sure what the film was, (An American In Paris?).  But the interaction between Kelly and his animated dance partner was probably as intricate as was possible at the time.  I presume that it would have been MGM, rather than Disney.

    More recently, that same sequence was used by Family Guy, with Stewie Griffin superimposed over the original cartoon character, (the identity of whom, I can't remember).  It's still impressive.

  5. On 09/11/2009 at 15:03, abcman said:

    A somewhat uncongested Fitzalan Square and the Classic Cinema, not like today.


    (Approximately 1961)


    Anyone know when Barclay's Bank to the left of the cinema was demolished?  Can you believe they took out such a beautiful piece of Victorian architecture, but kept the four eyesore buildings to the right of it!

    I went to The Classic twice in the late seventies.  It was tired, grimy and musty.  Much like the whole Fitzalan Square area was then, and for many years still to come.

  6. Is this the Dyson Refractories premises at Stannington?

    I worked for Watson Sons & Wheatcroft Chartered Accountants, auditors to Dyson Refractories from 1976 to 1978, and I worked on the Dyson's audit at Stannington for two or three weeks in the summer of '76, and again in '77.

    Only have vague memories of the premises.  It was a b*gger to get to on the bus.  I remember they gave us a nice office with huge windows and spectacular views down the valley towards Loxley.  I remember us using the staff canteen at lunchtime, (the highlight of my day as a 16/17 year old).  All the big Sheffield companies we went out on audit to, had staff canteens in those days - all subsidised.  I remember a tea lady came around mid-morning and mid-afternoon, serving tea from a huge stainless steel earn on a trolley.  But the thing I remember best about Dyson's, was our comptometer operator, (Beryl), taking a half-day holiday one Friday afternoon to go home and watch Virginia Wade play in the Wimbledon Ladies Final.  So that was July 1977.

    I'm sure that the company offices were quite a bit larger than just the small section that you can see in the top photo above, but I never got to walk around the factory buildings.

  7. On 13/01/2019 at 20:03, Craigio said:

    You know the little alleyway which cut through from High Street, (below The Old Blue Bell), into Hartshead Square?  It came out just above the entrance to The Dove and Rainbow.  Well when I was VERY young, in the late 60s, there was a men's hairdressers down that alleyway, on the RHS, which was THE place to get your hair cut.  Anyone know the name?

    It came to me:  Lou Burgin's!  Anyone remember it?

  8. Just remembered, my dad used to park the car on a triangle of waste ground at the rear of the cinema, and we would walk up an alleyway to the front of the building.  Afterwards, we would have fish n chips from the chip shop on a parade just by the waste land.  Would that be Swanbourne Road?

  9. 43 minutes ago, lysander said:

    The cinema was originally opened in the late 1930s as the Capitol...During the War it also saw some live entertainments including at one stage a circus complete with a rather smelly elephant. It became a part of the Essoldo group some time in the late 1950s/early 60s( with other cinemas at Southey Green and Ecclesfield). I can't recall ,after the name change to Vogue, that it ever became a multiscreen cinema  but by then my local viewing days were long past.

    Thanks.  I went past there in the mid 80s for the first time in years, and the old Essoldo had become a modern steel & glass multiscreen.  The external steelwork was all painted bright red, much the same as The Gaumont in town, at much the same time.

    I saw 633 Squadron, The Great Escape, Grand Prix, St. Trinians, several Disney films, and many others at the old Essoldo.  I've forgotten more than I remember.

    I remember they screened The Dambusters for one or two weeks, even though the film must have been the best part of 20 years old by then.

  10. On 03/09/2017 at 11:22, Sheffield History said:

    Vogue Cinema at Sheffield Lane Top

    What/where was this exactly?

    Do you mean the old Esseldo cinema, half a mile from Lane Top, down Barnsley Road, towards Ecclesfield?  Or was there another cinema up there?

    The Esseldo was replaced by a modern multiscreen cinema, but I couldn't say when.  Late 70s at the earliest.

    There was also a second Esseldo on Herries Road, on the parade of shops, a short distance from Longley Park, and the Northern General.

  11. On 14/01/2019 at 18:06, Keith Maddock said:

    I have to correct you there Craigio, as Norfolk St runs up to Charles St then it becomes Union St.  and the  ''Egg Box'' didn't alter that then and it's still the same now. I can't remember all the  SUGGS shops they seem to have them all over the place over the years.

    I'm not doubting you, but it seems extremely strange to me that this very short section of road should still be called Norfolk Street after it had been amputated from the other end of Norfolk Street.  I suppose the businesses would not have been happy at having to change their addresses and stationery etc.

    Is it still Norfolk Street today?


  12. After 24 hours, you beat me to it by seconds Bogins lol

    I don't think there is any doubt Voldy has cracked it.

    There is a lamppost right by the stop sign, and the wooden hoardings continue some distance beyond the next lamppost down.  Possibly beyond the third lamppost.  They must be a minimum of 50 yards long, probably more.

    In these two photos, you can see that the modern Grovesenor House block (between Cambridge Street and Charter Square), is slightly set back, (wider pavement).  In the Moor 1977 photo, you can just see the upper floors concrete "filigrees windows" poking out beyond the older buildings (between Charles Street and Cambridge Street).  The "foreshortening" is quite startling.

    The old Barrel Inn?  That's a new one on me!



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  13. 14 hours ago, boginspro said:

    I agree  Voldy , I think you may have it there    ,  I think Suggs moved out in 76 and here are the empty buildings around the Cambridge Arcade said to be October 77, it never seems to take them long to pull down Sheffield's nicer buildings. That zebra crossing was just below the Cambridge arcade but the only thing I can't remember is what appears to be a give way sign on the far left near the police woman. Even though I would be going up and down there almost every day I can't remember anything between Charles Street and Furnival Street that had give way markings on the road.. Perhaps someone can shed light on that?          ----------------------       http://picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;s24079&pos=6&action=zoom&id=26532   


    Me neither Bogins, you can also see the back of a Give Way or Stop sign on the corner.

    I assume that the former Cambridge Arcade, took it's name from a previous section of Cambridge Street, which continued down on the other side of Pinstone Street.  Could this bit of Cambridge Street have been reinstated for a short period, after the Suggs/Barney Goodman buildings had been demolished?

  14. 19 hours ago, Keith Maddock said:

    I have to correct you there Craigio, as Norfolk St runs up to Charles St then it becomes Union St.  and the  ''Egg Box'' didn't alter that then and it's still the same now. I can't remember all the  SUGGS shops they seem to have them all over the place over the years.

    Reluctantly, I have to agree.

    In the mid 70s, my bus home from school went up Furnival Gate, past Redgates, and following the new Town Hall being built, along with those new office blocks around Furnival Square, I distinctly remember a Union Street sign appearing on the corner, where previously there had been no sign.  I always thought it was a new street name.

    I'm surprised I didn't know it was always Union Street, I knew every nook & cranny of the City Centre in my early teens.

  15. Just noticed the Union Jack on top of Robert Brothers.

    A nice touch, from the days before the loony left evolved into politically correct fascism.

    I bet they didn't even get their windows put through.

  16. On 25/11/2017 at 20:19, Keith Maddock said:

    That Arcade ran from Pinstone Street through to Union Street.

    Yes, but back then, Union Street was still called Norfolk Street, as Norfolk Street had not yet been cut in half by the new Town Hall building.

    Does anyone know the year that Suggs moved a few yards higher up Pinstone Street, to the new premises on the corner?

  17. Sorry, but this is nowhere near 1977.

    The Moor was pedestrianised in around '74.  The Manpower Services Commission building was already being built across the bottom end of The Moor a year or two before that - maybe those cranes at the bottom of The Moor are for exactly that.

    But the biggest giveaway, is the bus.  It's still in the old Sheffield Transport livery - pale cream and navy blue.  They became South Yorkshire Passenger Transport Executive (SYPTE), in maybe '72 or '73.  1974 at the very latest.  That's when the livery became the pale cream and dirty brown colours.

    My best guess for this photo would be 1972.

    The old Suggs building and covered arcade on Pinstone Street has been demolished in this photo - LHS.  Again, my guess would be 1972 for that.  But if you want to be sure, that's where to begin.


    EDIT:  I take it all back.  MSC Building did not open until! 1981, and The Moor was last used by traffic in 1979.

    In the mid 70s, as school kids, we used to catch the number 4 bus back home from Paternoster Row, sometimes we walked up to Pinstone Street, or The Moor, where we could also catch any one of the 17, 24, 81, 82, or 83 bus routes.

    I was quite certain that it was during my school years that buses down The Moor began taking that ridiculous detour around Manpower Services, and then later, the full detour down Charter Row.  I later worked in the city centre for several years, and had the same choice of bus routes, so I am conflating the two periods and memories.

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  18. In no particular order:

    I remember taking a girl (who I had a thing for) to Biba on High Street, just below the entrance to Chapel Walk, to buy her a Biba Diary that she was desperate for.  That was 1976.

    There was a Laura Ashley by the Peace Gardens in the 1980s.

    Dixon's on The Moor, which actually sold sportswear and trainers upstairs.

    Maurice Bywaters, the "cut price" jewellers in Castle Yard (?) just off Fargate.

    Rare and Racey on Division Street - is it still there?

    A golf shop on Norfolk Row which was there for a few years from about 1976.  Name anyone?

    K W Hawley Tools, just off The Moor.  Ken Hawley was a very well known industrial historian, a Sheffield version of Fred Dibnah.  I had a Saturday job there in 1975.

    Johnny Fantham's barbers shop on Division Street.

    The SWFC shop in Orchard Square.

    The SWFC kiosk on Angel Street

    Spoils, on Church Street - household goods.

    Guns n Ammo, on the Wicker, (honestly).

    The first Virgin Records store at Moorfoot.  Opened in about 1973, after The Moor was pedestrianised, and the Manpower Services Commission Building made that whole area a concrete wilderness, (well done the Socialist Republic of South Yorkshire).  Did they only sell copies of Tubular Bells?

    Pu$$y Power, and two different locations for Robert Brady, on Ecclesall Road.

    Uncle Sam's Chuck Wagon, and Yankee's, both on Ecclesall Road, (should be in restaurants section).  What was the similar American Diner type place at the bottom of Glossop Road, close to the top of West Street, (1980s)?

    Big Brown (I kid you not!).  A sportswear shop in the precinct on Ecclesall Road, opposite the bottom of Greystones Road, (1970s).

    The Chocolate Box, just above Carterknowle Road, on Ecclesall Road South, (maybe still there?).

    Three here I need help with:

    What was the expensive menswear shop, (1970s/80s) at the bottom of Barkers Pool, next door to Fatorini's the jewellers?  Incidentally, Fatorini's made the FA Cup, as well as the new replacement FA Cup in the 90s.

    You know the little alleyway which cut through from High Street, (below The Old Blue Bell), into Hartshead Square?  It came out just above the entrance to The Dove and Rainbow.  Well when I was VERY young, in the late 60s, there was a men's hairdressers down that alleyway, on the RHS, which was THE place to get your hair cut.  Anyone know the name?

    There was a fantastic shoe shop near Manor Top on City Road, which sold seconds of really expensive shoes.  They also had a small outlet in the arcade at Darnall, Staniforth Road/Greenland Road.  I still own a pair of 100% leather cowboy boots I got there in the 80s.  Not worn them in a while.  :-) 

  19. Any of the crowd around who frequented The Wagon in the 1976 to 1982 era?

    There were 40 or 50 of us, all aged around 16, 17, 18, in '76/'77.  Most of us had graduated from Dobcroft Youth Club to The Wagon.

    Some disappeared over time, but most of us migrated to The Millhouses Hotel when The Wagon was refurbished and became a food pub in around 1982ish.

    The Millhouses had been an old gippers pub, with about five small rooms and a grand piano, but it was also refurbished, and became our new hangout at about the same time they ruined The Wagon.

  20. On 14/02/2007 at 16:31, Sheffield History said:

    also a piece about Vietnam, but right now I cannot remember the singer – lyrics were:

    "And its one. Two, three, what are we fighting for? Don’t ask me I don’t give a damn,Next stop is Vietnam

    This is a song by Arlo Guthrie, son of Woody Guthrie.  I have it on an album, (I think the album is Alice's Restaurant), which I bought in Wilson Peck music store, in about 1975 or 76 - just a few yards from where The Buccaneer had been.  I don't remember the name of that particular song.

    I was far too young to ever go in The Buccaneer, but I do remember a huge pirate outside the Leopold Street door, which isn't in the photo at the top of the thread.  Does anyone else remember this?  I think it was sitting down in a huge chair, and it may have had a hook for a hand.  Was it made of plastic, wood, plaster?  It was certainly there in the last two or three years before they demolished The Grand Hotel.

    I spent 1979 to 1984 working on the 7th floor of the Fountain Precinct, so the Pig & Whistle, (later the Fountain Bar), which occupied the physical space of The Buccaneer, became a regular after-work drinking hole, and Josephine's felt like it was "our" sports & social club.

  21. I have vague memories of Crazy Daizy, from around 1977/78.  It was still all Roxy Music and Bowie the few times I went.  Maybe punk & reggae were different nights.  My main memory is the arched ceiling and alcoves.

    I went in at lunchtime a couple of times in 1983, by which time it was The Geisha Bar.

    Was it really ever called the Lowenbrau?  I thought that was the later name of the Hofbrauhaus on Arundel Gate - which is the one that had lunchtime strippers in the late 70s.  Later to become Berlins.

    What was the name of the small bar on the corner of Arundel Gate and Furnival Gate, around the early 90s?  Tucked away behind all the concrete stairs and steel barriers, keeping people off the dual carriageway / underpass / roundabout?

  22. When I started going to night clubs with friends, aged around 16/17, in 1976/77, we pretty quickly discovered, there were three clubs worth paying to get in.

    Turnups at Nether Edge was great during the week, largely because it was mostly local people, and there would always be people there that you knew.  It seemed a much more relaxed place because of that.

    If you wanted a great night, listening to great music, you went to The Limit.  You could wear anything, even jeans, and it was about 30% cheaper than everywhere else.

    But if you wanted to meet girls - the kind of girls we wanted to meet - girls you asked out on a date, you went to Josies.  I was hitting that place pretty hard on Fridays or Saturday nights for about three years, 1979, 80, 81.  I hated having to wear a suit and tie, and I really hated the cr@ppy disco music they played in there - years after disco music was as dead as a dodo, but that's what you had to do, and girls didn't dance to The Clash, or Elvis Costello.

    I just don't recognise many of the comments and recollections above.  Maybe the gangsters and hookers came later?

    From 1981, I was in a three year relationship, (met her in Josies), so stopped going.  I only went there another four or five times through the 80s.  By 1985, you could get in just wearing a shirt and trousers, but the shirt still had to have a collar.

    Weirdly, we did go one more time, in around 2002 or 2003, on a night out in town, we decided to give it a try, for old times sake.  I can't say it had really changed in the previous 20 years.  It looked exactly the same, and they were still playing Michael Jackson and Bee Gees rubbish.