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Kalfred

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  1. Hello, I am sorry to say, I have no more information to offer but I have a composite picture to illustrate "G.A Axe & Co Ltd" products for War Department contracts.

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    From titles on my original images I believe that the 1939 “Broad Arrow” Army item was a dessert spoon, the 1940 “Broad Arrow” item was a fork and the 1940 “Air Ministry (AM RAF)” item was a dessert spoon. A note with one of my images suggested I had also found a 1959 closure of the “Axe” cutlery business.   

    Kalfred


  2. Hello, here I am again replying to an old thread that I came upon looking for information on Marples and Co.

    The lettering next to “M&Co” is as has been suggested “S” and a stylised “EP”. The “EP” is saying manufactured by electroplating as ”Vox” so rightly suggested and he is also correct in saying makers did put extra marks on electroplated ware to make the item look more like solid silver. These false types of marks are known as “pseudo hallmarks”. However the “S” should be an important thing to know as it is a good indication that the item was made in Sheffield. Yes I can see that Sheffield is marked underneath in full on this dish but many more items are smaller, as an electroplated teaspoon would be, and you have the full information in a short code. Thus you have the maker, the place and the manufacture method. The older the item the more likely you are to get the coding.

    A “B” is commonly present on old Birmingham pieces and “G” on some Glasgow made cutlery and “L” usually means London. Some diverse concerns with more than one “branch” would have possibly “S” & “L” to indicate Sheffield and London bases.

     Kalfred

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  3. Hello there is a mistake, as you may have noticed in my post. This is a paragraph that should be under my first photo.

    The “T.G Ltd” mark, is referenced on the site “silvercollection.it”, to be a mark belonging to Tom Gilpin Ltd” of Sheffield and a reference I noted elsewhere, lead to a thread in the “Sheffield History Chat” section of our forum confirming Gilpins were based at 97 Mary Street Sheffield in 1965. Additionally some extra information came to that thread (thank you Edmund), touching on another Sheffield company named “T.E.Osborne Ltd”. The reference to that thread is below.

    There no doubt will be some more if I continue to post.

    Kalfred


  4. Hello, I have recently seen several images on line of forks and dessert spoons with a  “T.G. Ltd” mark and a WW2 period date with the War Department “broad arrow” on them. An example is below.

    1572838246_TomGilpinLtdWarDept1942fork.jpg.3af37f40f0fabf50c71cf0869b0a312b.jpg

    The “T.E.Osborne Ltd” was part owed by Tom Gilpin with a David Tom Gilpin. However their premises, the Abbey Works, Rockingham Street was compulsory purchased by the Sheffield council for slum clearance July 1939 (WW2 started on the 1st September 1939). Possibly this was a money source as “Tom Gilpin” appeared in 1939 to be setting up a complicated business as described as below.

    53428082_TomGilpinStuff.jpg.e7a506e0fb9ed42647937295d786637a.jpg

    I did wonder if you could set up a “fork and spoon” business for just £500 in 1939, and to make cutlery for the War Department, or was it simply a retailing operation procuring and supplying the cutlery made by others. I am however lead to believe from a site on the inter net that the £500 would have been worth over £30,000 today.

    I have images with “T.G Ltd” on items dated for the years 1940, 42, 43 and 44.

    1642490753_TomGilpinWarDeptcomp.jpg.a403e1369c6ae0cacc34a8a820f4288d.jpg 

    The 1940 item has the extra “S” usually indicating Sheffield manufacture and that is very often present in the maker’s marks on vintage and antique electroplated cutlery.

    Does anybody in “Sheffield Land” have more knowledge to add on Tom Gilpin’s wartime efforts or on the Gilpin concern in general. I will start you off on the last bit with some “Gilpin” marked blades and another (for those that viewed the other thread) cutlery box insert. 

    1708937181_TomgilpinBladesandInsert.jpg.75673182c65a82e0d6bc200a7eb99ea1.jpg

    What is the connection between Gilpins and “Smith Seymour”? We know from the 1965 reference that they appeared to work in the same unit in Mary Street. Can you tell me any more? Surely it must be more than just sharing a stationary bill or was “works” sharing commonplace in the Sheffield cutlery industry?

    Kalfred 

    PS. Here is a reference for anybody interested in the Gilpin and the T.E. Osborne Ltd connection. 

     https://library.croneri.co.uk/cch_uk/btc/34-tc-441

    Surprisingly the Sipell Company crops up in this, seemingly buying up the remains of T.E.Osborne Ltd., late in the War period, maybe to make more “broad arrow” cutlery?

     


  5. Thank you Edmund, I was a bit worried that because this was an old thread, that I might need to wait a while for a response. However, just an overnight wait, and myself and the rest of the net have more information out “there” to be readily found and used.

    I need to ask now, how were you so fast with the extra facts. Am I just a poor researcher?

    Thank you again

    Kalfred


  6. Hello, an interest in researching some cutlery, with particular reference to the “Tom Gilpin Ltd” concern, has brought me to this old thread. There is little information on line, but I did come up with  “Mary Street”. Your Kelly’s 1965 address guide above shows “Smith Seymour” and Tom Gilpin” at the same place. I have a lot of questions to ask but I will save those for another post a bit later in the “Made in Sheffield” section where they may be more relevant. In the meantime I have a picture of an insert from a box of spoons to offer here.1764003701_SmithseymourGilpinGaurantee.jpg.282cb518f0da67d43601ef0e2447a117.jpg

    There must have been a very close link between Smith Seymour and Gilpin’s and I note there is a discussion earlier about how “concerns” described themselves. Would there be demarcation between the “blade” makers and the “pressed electroplated cutlery” manufacturers. Nickel silver is mentioned here on the insert but elsewhere I have seen both the Smith Seymour and Gilpin names on various knife blades. Is there any one out there in forum land who knows a little bit more about "Tom Gilpin's"  it than just the "Buffer Girls" photo?

    Kalfred


  7. Hello during the last year I have collected a couple of images with these makers marks on. They were marks on British Army cutlery. These “J.L” marks shown in my in composite photo brought me to this post. Both the marks in my photo show that the items were manufacture in 1955 and this is well in “Lodge’s” period of life.

    347624180_J.LpossJamesLodgeLtdWarDeptcutlery1955.jpg.42a3da33c20fc902dbd0da3ad1221510.jpg

    Are there out on the forum, people, with any more firm information that could identify the manufacturer of the cutlery with the pictured marks? I have seen on line a “J.L.Ltd” mark being attached to the “James Lodge” company along with “blades” on line with the full name on. Obviously I am hoping my “J.L” is that Sheffield manufacturer.

    Yours  Kalfred

    1141441858_ProbJamesLodgeLtd.jpg.616d6edf5360974ccf77025781a6be61.jpg                                                                  Photo suggested to be a James Lodge Ltd mark 


  8. Hello, thank you SteveHB and Tozzin for your responses. I checked again using “Fry & Wigfull” on the net. I found plenty of knives advertised with the full trade name for the company and the going out of business notification. Little else seemed to surface. Was the company “residual” from Lee & Wigfull or just a coincidence to have that particular Shefffield ”electroplate” name? 

    I believe now that it is likely that the contract for my military knives was fulfilled by “Fry & Wigfull”, but it would be nice to have something more than “circumstantial” evidence.

    Thanks

    Kalfred

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  9. Hello I am looking for some help from the Sheffield forum again. Below are some photos relating to some post WW2 army eating knifes.

    The blades definitely say “Sheffield England” and they seem to have been made by “F&W Ltd” or possibly “J &W Ltd”. The knives were issued in 1973 and 1970, but who were “F/J &W Ltd”. Are there people who worked on these knifes? Internet search doesn’t throw up much. There are references to other cutlery made by “F&W Ltd”, but no name. Is there anyone out there that knows? When it involves a military contract a good number of utensils must have been made and I hope more information can be found.

    Yours

    Kalfred 

     

    F&W military knife 1970.jpg

    F&w Ltd Army knife 1973.jpg

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  10. Hello, thank you “RL” for your informative reply and “Boginspro” for your added photo. We can see that your long number is different from that on my fork.  I have added a photo of a 1986 fork that I had previously informally identified as very likely to have been manufactured by Hiram Wild and it has the same “stock” number as shown on my “S&L.Ltd” fork and as described by “RL”.  This “S&L.Ltd” fork and the “HW” fork are the same design and it can be seen their style is a different pattern from Boginspro’s fork.

    Military flatware is not what I collect but I always wish to know as much as possible about the flatware I come across and it is all the better if that information can be made available for others to maybe glean use from. I have kept quite a few other photos of War Department flatware.

    Thank you for your replies.

    Kalfred 

    Hiram Wild 1986 Army dessert fork.jpg


  11. Hello, this is a photo of the markers marks on the handle of a 1980 Army fork. The crow’s foot mark indicates issue by the War Department and their items always had a date on. I assume the Army fork was manufactured in Sheffield. From the limited amount of references I have found on line it seems that the Slack and Barlow concern were producing cutlery around that time. From 1947 they were Slack & Barlow Sheffield Ltd and in 1974 they were using the Silverpride Works in Matilda Street. Now here comes my “leap of faith”. There are web-illustrated marks of “S&B” being used by Slack and Barlow but not the mark “S&L Ltd”. Is there any knowledge in the forum to back up my thoughts? Is there anybody who was working at the Silverpride Works during the late 1970’s who could add information?

    Thanks in hope.

    Kalfredl

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