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  1. I checked a few of the listed Sibray Hall & Co hallmarks. They had official marks at the Sheffield assay office and at London. The below mark is an early one for Sheffield, an unembellished letter “O” with a Monarch’s head, so for 1881. It features the initials of Frank Sibray and Job Hall but then, after the death of the former in 1891, there were of marks of various styles but featuring initials of “ Job Frank Hall”. When “Hall” retired around 1900, the company used a “CCP” mark relating to “ Charles Clement Pilling” who had taken the company on. It seems that “CCP” has only been noted on Sheffield or London silver items up to 1922.
  2. The "Sibray Hall & Co" company is an interesting alternative maker idea and the 1931 hallmark date does not totally exclude them. The marks I have posted may have been modified a little at the size I managed to enhance them to. That said the "SH" appears in 2 close but seperate cut corner squares and not in the single rectangle as in yours and the other example on the website I refered to. Silversmiths did however slightly change marks over time and not all changes have been recorded at assay centres. Further enquiries required. Kalfred
  3. Thank you SteveHB and Edmund for adding info to this post. Anybody know about the silversmithing? Did Hall & Co have a base in Sheffield or were the silver parts just "bough in" from Birmingham for Sheffield assay? Thanks Kalfred
  4. Hello is I was trawling through Ebay’s scissors looking for a scissorsmith when I saw the scissors shown below. I was intrigued and I had to have a bid, all be it, ultimately unsuccessfully. I felt I must post a photo, as these grape scissors are certainly “Sheffield”. These mixed metal scissors are easy to date using the date letter associated with the hallmark on the silver finger holes. The unembellished letter “o” without a Monarch’s head, together with the crown (for Sheffield) indicates the assay at the Sheffield Assay Office in 1931. The maker of the silver part of the scissors is indicated by the “S.H.&Co.” but I will reference that later. We can see from the rear pivot area of the scissors that the blades are made of Sheffield England stainless steel and from the pivot front we a clear pictorial probable trademark with lettering below it. The “nest” with eggs in was the trademark of Sheffield’s Southern & Richardson and I think you will be able to “fill in the spaces” to confirm that makers name. These cutlery makers were known at the “Don Cutlery Works” from the middle of the 19th century and there are several images of knives spread around the forum. One of these did suggest the trademark was a “thistle” or has this been a mis-interpretation of the image on a much older and tarnished knife compared to these 20th century scissors. From a reference I think I read on line, technically, the grape scissors may not have been made by “Southern & Richardson” as in the 1920s that named company had been incorporated into a larger Sheffield concern and the latter continued with the trademarks. Hopefully the “forum” can clear this up. Returning to the “S.H.&Co.” maker’s mark now. The website www.silvermakersmarks.co.uk that I always confidently use for identifying British silversmiths, identifies the silver finger parts as having been made “probably, by Sydney Hall & Co”, and gives them an address of “Birmingham”. If there is other information regarding the maker please enlighten us, as there will be would be many interested to know. I hope there are others on the forum, like me, who like and wish they owned the grape scissors. Kalfred
  5. Hello no spoons for me again today. Not all bad though. What do you think? The blades on these scissors are about 3 inches long. We see the "I.XL" mark clearly. On the the other side of the blade pivot area is a less clear mark that I believe says that the scissors are chromium plated.I supose dating the scissors is difficult, but they may well be from the same period as "SteveHB's" Kelly directories ad. Kalfred
  6. Hello can I stir the muddy water a little bit more? This is from a cutlery set. Kalfred
  7. Thanks Edmund In this case it seems the "mark" became the "works". I found another item, sorry not military and not a knife, but sharp non the less. A composite of marks on some scissors below. Kalfred
  8. Hello, have you noticed that that maker's mark on the knife blade looks as if it is an overstrike? It looks to me as if some one else made the silver blade and the "J.F" stamp was put on top. Just around the top of the "J" there appears to be a smaller residual mark of the actual maker. Mr Fenton was likely buying in at least some of the silver blades he was using from a alterative silversmith. Kalfred
  9. The picture below is the 2nd knife I looked at before the auction. I will try to be a bit less boring with this one. This knife was about 4 inches (10cms for younger readers) long. Excellent marks (don’t know about the blades) showing 1945 and the broad arrow. The maker was George Ibberson & Co, and shows their trademark of a “violin”. They are referenced to have been based at the “Violin Works” on “Rockingham Street” 1912-32. Do we know if the “trademark” became the ”works” or if the “works” became the “trademark”? Kalfred
  10. Edmund has nicely bought the John Blyde’s brother James Blyde, (likely born 1833/4 back into the picture again. The 1861 census that described John as a “hardware manufacturer employing 8 men and 2 boys” calls James as a “Surgical ????? manuf”, but it is difficult to discern. Interestingly also in that year, 1861, the old “James” (born 1803) was described as a scissor finisher and you could wonder for whom he was doing that job? Below is a reference that may lead you to a possible 1859 advert for some “Blydes”. http://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;y03077&pos=2&action=zoom This reference brings more confusion to my mind as I see three options. We have again a company called “James Blyde and Son”. Is this an old advert from the original company James and John? Is this a new company, old “James” and his 2nd son “James”, or for that young “James” and perhaps with a son of his own? To me it is more likely that it is the 2 “James” together. This company’s base is said to be Hall Carr, Spital Hill and referring again to the 1861 census James the son’s address was “Hall Carr Street” and although he had a son, “James Henry”, the child was only 2 years old. Below is an advert (found by forum member “Vox”) referencing 1869, the year of the “flower and fruit gathering apparatus” patents noted by Edmund. Is there anything significant here, as this ad, has a different name, just James Blyde? We also know from a census that in 1871 old James (1803) was retired (living on income from dividens) while young James (1833) was described as “maker and manufacturer” and employing “5 men and 2 boys”. The concern must have been doing ok though as “James” (1833) was surprisingly, in 1881, a retired merchant and “James Henry” was living at home with his father and mother but his occupation was not stated. “James Henry” was likely involved in the business though, as we have come to another of “Edmund’s” notes. “On 5th October 1885 the partnership between James Henry Blyde and Percy Smith, under the name James Blyde and Co. of the Hallcar Works, Hallcar Street, manufacturer of scissors, nippers and surgical and other instruments was dissolved by mutual consent.” I am wondering where “Percy Smith” has turned up from? Could a possibly ailing James the “1881 retired merchant” have got someone else into the company to help his son. In January 1888 that retired James is said to have died. I looked for Percy Smith on the 1881 census and he was an employer of 31 men and 4 boys manufacturing a large range of goods including nippers, meat tin openers and (perhaps significantly for later) steel toys. Was this “James Blyde & Co”? Images of items of “James Blyde & Co” appear in short supply but I found some 8 inch calipers so labelled but sadly of unknown date. Has anybody got any more items from this company? In 1891 we find that “James Henry” is discribed as a “steel toy manufacturer” and ten years on he is an employer and “cutlery manufacturer” and his son “Percy” is then 12. In 1911 “Percy” has become a “Harry Percy” and is 23. Both “James Henry” and “Harry Percy” are described as “cutlery manufacturers” and that leads on to “Edmund’s” last couple of “pieces” about the pair. I have a couple of my own last snippets. There are references that James Henry Blyde was associated with the trademark of a pictorial “well” and a written “well” and “finished”. I could not find an “on item” example of the mark to show. Also again, what about “Percy Smith”? I found him again on the 1891 census as “employed” as a “Secretary Electroplating Company”. Was that for “James Blyde & Co”? Anyone know more about “Percy Smith”? Subsequently he is a “Registrar” of births, deaths and marriages. As before does anybody know more or different about this stem of the Blyde family? Kalfred.
  11. Hello, I was viewing an auction but could not find any spoons to interest me. I did get a good look at 2 knives with “marline spikes” though.The knife shown below is 5 inches long and marked “Wade and Butcher Sheffield England”. Not illustrated but on the other side of the blade was 1936 but I could not see a War Dept broad arrow. However there appeared to be 2 other pictorial marks. There seemed to be a long arrow with quite a bit of “feathering” and also 3 black triangular marks. At home again and research. Wade and Butcher made razors and we can see the pictorial marks clearly. We see an arrow and a Maltese cross on the examples above. I thought I would do a bit more chasing. Earlier in this post “Vox” said that “Wade” was an American agent so I had a look for “Butcher” in “Sheffield Indexers”. I do not like long lists but there are a great many “Butcher” makers of Sheffield “wares” to be found. I have put the names that I think could be chronological originators of the W and S Butcher part of the company. "Vox" said the company began in 1820, but the first reference I found was 1825 but if you consider their range of wares it does look like an established company by that time. Butcher, William (, merchant and manufacturer of edge tools, skates, saws, files, hoes, trowels, joiners tools, West India and Brazil plantation tools and steel converter and refiner). Address: Eyre Lane, Sheffield in 1825. Recorded in: Gells 1825 Directory of Sheffield. Butcher, William (, merchant). Address: Broom Hill, Sheffield in 1825. Recorded in: Gells 1825 Directory of Sheffield. Butcher, Wm. (, Merchant (&c)). Address: h,Broom Hill, in 1833. Recorded in: Whites History & Directory of Sheffield - 1833. Butcher, William & Samuel (, merchants, steel converters and saw, file and edge tool mfrs.). Address: 15 Eyre Lane, in 1837. Recorded in: Whites Directory of Sheffield & Rotherham - 1837. Butcher, Wm (~, File & Edge Tool Mnfr). Address: 41 & 44 Eyre Lane Hs. Stanton Broom, Glossop Rd, in 1841. Recorded in: Henry & Thos. Rodgers Sheff & Roth Directory - 1841. Butcher, William & Samuel (, Edge tool maker(s)). Address: Eyre Lane and Furnival Street, Sheffield in 1846. Recorded in: Slaters 1846 Directory, Sheffield. Butcher, William & Samuel (, File Manufacturer(s)). Address: Eyre Lane and Furnival Street, Sheffield in 1846. Recorded in: Slaters 1846 Directory, Sheffield. Butcher, William & Samuel (, Merchant(s), factor(s) and manufacturer(s)). Address: Eyre Lane and Furnival Street, Sheffield in 1846. Recorded in: Slaters 1846 Directory, Sheffield. Butcher, William & Samuel (, pen and pocket knife manufacturer). Address: Eyre Lane and Furnival Street, Sheffield in 1846. Recorded in: Slaters 1846 Directory, Sheffield. Butcher, William & Samuel (, razor manufacturer). Address: Eyre Lane and Furnival Street, Sheffield in 1846. Recorded in: Slaters 1846 Directory, Sheffield. Butcher, William & Samuel (, rolling mills). Address: Philadelphia, Sheffield in 1846. Recorded in: Slaters 1846 Directory, Sheffield. Butcher, William & Samuel (, steel converters and refiners). Address: Eyre Lane;Furnival Street and Philadelphia steel works, Sheffield in 1846. Recorded in: Slaters 1846 Directory, Sheffield. Butcher, William & Samuel (, Table knife manufacturers). Address: Eyre Lane & Furnival Street, Sheffield in 1846. Recorded in: Slaters 1846 Directory, Sheffield. Butcher, William & Samuel (, Joiners Tool Maker(s)). Address: Eyre Lane, Sheffield in 1846. Recorded in: Slaters 1846 Directory, Sheffield. Butcher, William and Samuel (, Merchant and steel, edgetool, file, razor, saw &c. manufacturer and tilters). Address: 41 Eyre Lane and Philadelphia Steel Works, in 1852. Recorded in: White's Gazetteer & General Directory of Sheffield - 1852. Butcher, William Esq (, Merchant & manufacturer). Address: h. Five Oaks, Glossop Road, in 1852. Recorded in: White's Gazetteer & General Directory of Sheffield - 1852. Butcher, W & S (, File Manufrs). Address: 13 Furnival Street, in 1871. Recorded in: White's Sheffield & Dist. Directory - 1871. Butcher, W.&S. (, Merchants & Manufacturers). Address: 41 Eyre Lane, in 1871. Recorded in: White's Sheffield & Dist. Directory - 1871. Butcher, W.& S. (, manufacturers of steel,files,tools etc.). Address: 41 Eyre Lane & 72 Arundel Street, in 1905. Recorded in: Whites Directory of Sheffield & Rotherham. Butcher, Charles F. (, (W.& S.)). Address: h.Richmond Hill near Handsworth, in 1905. Recorded in: Whites Directory of Sheffield & Rotherham. Butcher, Charles Fosbery (, manufacturer Sheffield). Address: h. Richmond Hill Richmond Handsworth, in 1905. Recorded in: Whites Directory of Sheffield & Rotherham. We can see that they were based in several addresses on Eyre Street along with other places. Also “W&S” was first referenced in the 1837, while William Butcher & C was mentioned in 1833. 1846 was the first reference to “pen and pocket knives” and was “Charles Fosbery Butcher” in charge of the company for the association with “Wade”. Kalfred
  12. Hello Edmund, have you anymore info on James Blyde and Percy Smith. I could not find the reference with Google. It is difficult to work out when and how said Percy Smith got in with James Blyde in the first place and in fact with which James. I have been thinking there was in fact a 2nd James Blyde and Son. Possibly after James (1803) split with John, he continued James and Son with James (1833),  but this is very muddy "Don" water.

    Yours

    Keith

  13. Hello again, usual thing looking for one thing and find something else. All through the history with the "Blydes" are references to scissors and here is that "JNO" mark on a pair. Kalfred
  14. Hello, I have tried to sort a little “Blyde” company history around “Adrians” JNO knife, but to be truthful I wish I had let the confusion of “Blydes” bide. I have worked with a sketchy Blyde skeleton I formed out of the “Ancestry” cupboard. It seems from an 1876 advert that the progenitor company for the manufacture of “Adrians” knife was James Blyde and Son; the company had been established in 1841. Subsequently, the company became “John Blyde Ltd”. Well that’s clear isn’t it? Unfortunately, the first “James”, begat another “James” and subsequently a “John”. So who is the son then? The original “James Blyde” was possibly Sheffield born in 1803 and in 1841 he was described as a scissor smith. At that time he had a daughter “Sarah Ann”, 3 male children, the James aged 14, the John aged 8 and a William aged 2. In 1851 he had a daughter now “Sarah Edison”, with James, William Edwin, Edwin and an Eliza Ann. Confusingly, James is now said to be 17 and where has John gone? Something seems strange here and below is a mini grid concerning the old James Blydes first 2 sons. To me there is a mistake in the ages given in the 1841 census. The ages are transposed. John is the firstborn and James the second born. “James Blyde and Son” is father, James, and firstborn son John, and as you would expect John took over the concern. Apparently in the 1861 census John is married and a “hardware manufacturer” employing 8 men and 2 boys. He has a son “Arthur J.” aged 4. We see an “Arthur Jno” again in the 1881 census, when 24, and working, probably, as a “general clerk cutlery manufacturers”. The old “James” in 1861 was described as a scissor finisher and in 1871 and 1881 he is called retired”. Taking information from the ad I first mentioned (and confirming Johnm’s imput), the corporate mark was then the word “GENIUS” under a pictorial planet “Saturn” and the products are described as high quality scissors and they are also producers of specialist equine scissors and grooming tools. The address given was “Clintock Works” at 72 and 74 Burgess St. Sheffield”. In subsequent history “Clintock Works” has another address. By 1883, the business is said to have moved to Clintock Works, Milton Street. That Genius mark does not appear to be on Adrian’s penknife blades but it is regularly seen on Razor blades and it may be the matter of blade size? A couple of marks shown are below, including one on a spoon (the latter is just for me and the less cut throat readers). On a 2nd trade ad, this one from 1921 “John Blyde Ltd” describe themselves as cutlery specialists including offering pen and pocket knives (the ad is a bit like “Johnm’s” ad shown earlier in this post). This is more the age of Adrian’s knife and “Genius” was shown on the ad as a trademark (not corporate mark this time) and with the statement it was granted by the “Cutlery Company” in 1865. Adrian’s knife carries that other trademark, the “Golfer” that goes with the “Sure and Far” logo. I found a creditable reference relating to the “Golfer” pictorial mark and it said that the mark belonged to “A.J.Blyde” of Clintock Works Sheffield. Now, there is a familiar name again, the 1881 referenced son of John Blyde. John Blyde died in December 1899 and a Sheffield newspaper report concerning his funeral is listed in another post on the Forum (I will reference it at the end). My quick synopsis is that John was taken ill on his way to work and later died. He leaves a Son, “Arthur Blyde” who will likely carry on the business. We are now coming to the period of that nice utility knife pictured at the start of Adrian’s post. “Strazors.com” gives a reference (probably the same as Johnm’s above) which says A.J. Blyde died in 1920 but the firm continued, including absorbing “Greenhoughs” and it famously made quality hand forged surgical scissors and pen and pocket knives. It would be good to know what if any “Blyde” name was used after 1920 but they closed in the 1970’s. Any corrections or additions welcomed. Both the ads I quote from can be found via Graces Guides. The forum John Blyde funeral reference is in W Gillott & Son in Sheffield History Chat And that particular post has references to some of the other members of the original James Blydes family. There may be enough for another post! Kalfred Just an extra photo of tableware "items" with the John Blyde name. First half of the 20th century is a likely date.
  15. Hello. I was interested in the "Blydes" and came across this post, one of several posts relating these Sheffield makers. I have an electroplate mark on a spoon I want to add somewhere when I work out which "Blyde" it belongs to. I was looking at the Sheffield Indexers" and came to "Blyde Jno". I have seen the "Jno" with other names. What Christian name do we think it represents? Is it "Jonathon"? Or is it what they can see from the origional record? I was trying to get a date order of the Blydes. "Jno" was about 50 years earlier than "Adrian's" great penknife. We can positively date the knife blade to 1927, as that lower case "k" tells us that. It is not 1952 as which has an upper case "K". 1902 had a lower case "k" but it was in "fancy style" that my lap top does not know how to reproduce. That was a smart bit of work Adrian to find E.W.Oakes. Is it acceptable if I pass your hallmark image on further to be confirmed and likely recorded on line for the world to know (if they care to search)? Kalfred
  16. Hope somehow this "stuff" gets back to Sheffield and can be seen. Kalfred
  17. I saw on line a nice image of a box and its 6 table knives that I thought some members of the forum might find of interest. I had a quick look to see if they would make a relevant addition to somebody else’s post. I did at first cause myself a problem by looking for “Wolstenholme George” in the search field but a helpful post I found told me the “e” at the end of the surname had been dropped. I looked carefully at my saved image again and saw I needed to be searching for “George Wostenholm” because not only was there no “e” but also no first “l”. Thus here I am with these, perhaps, less exciting knives but with a fantastic mini catalogue of some of the specialist items the company made. After trawling for my “G.W” on the forum I found I had a bit of confusion in my mind and felt a little bit of research was still needed. From our own forum I found the reference that “George Wostenholm, cutler's mark granted 22/12/1694” Then however it also seems that the Sheffield company of George Wolstenholme (born 1717 possibly) developed in 1745 though at Stannington just outside the City. George’s son Henry carried the business on until 1803 when George’s grandson, George 2, took over. The company moved to Sheffield, premises being called “Rockingham Works”, largely making razors and penknives. The difficulty of getting the “Wolstenholme” name on the latter’s small blades necessitated the shorter “Wostenholm” surname being generated. The 2nd George was in partnership with his own son George 3 in 1825 but died 1834 and the original George’s great grandson, George 3 carried on. Although I think there were too many “Georges” in this company, this George 3 installed the company into a new purpose built premises, Washington Works. This name was possibly chosen because of the large number of specialist knives that they sold to the USA. The reference below may be interesting. https://www.sheffieldhistory.co.uk/forums/topic/3082-hibbard-spencer-and-bartlett/?do=findComment&comment=13410 The company became “Ltd.” in 1875 but George 3 appears to have died in 1876, leaving a widow and no children. A reference said that for the years 1876-1880 the company gave annual average dividends of 10% on average profits of £10203. Just before WWI a “Thomas Gilbert Wolstenholme” came to the leadership of the company and made changes to take the company further into the 20th century. Things did not all go totally smoothly and there was even a misfortune in that damage occurred to the “Washington Works” due to WW2 bombing. Below are a couple more images for “Wostenholm and Son”. We have the cutlery box as shown previously plus another box and markings on the different blades they contained. If you look at the close up of the 2 boxes you can see the manufacturer’s name is described differently. The greenish box with the “Tally Ho!” trademark on has the company name “George Wostenholm & Son Ltd” while the other box lid has the company name “George Wostenholm & Son’s”. This could be dating evidence for the 2 lots of knives. My original thought was that “& Son’s” must have been later but then I remembered my English grammar and worked out it was cutlery “belonging” to only one son. I think the “Ltd” with the “Firth Stainless” knives is the most recent item but they may in fact not be very far apart in age. In 1971 another big Sheffield player “Joseph Rodgers” took over “Wostenholm” but in 1986 that pair along with their trademarks were part of the “Egginton Group”. This might be an example of “what goes around, comes around”. The “Tally Ho!” mark was bought by George 3 in 1860 from “M.Hunter’s”, he with his father having in 1826 already obtained their knife famed “I*XL” (I excel) trademark and in 1843 he had bought “The Pipe Trade Mark”. That mark being the “oldest cutlery trademark on the Register of the Sheffield Cutlers’ Company” and granted in 1694. Funny that year appears familia! Now, if the old company’s history was confusing with “Georges”, then the 20th history seems no different to me. Along with the Egginton Group claiming “Wostenholm” history another company established 1993, “TGW International” claims the same history. This latter company had its seed in the Wostenholm’s concern nurtured from 1908 by the “Thomas Gilbert Wolstenholme” noted earlier. Hopefully the “Big Players on The Forum” can sort this out for us. Kalfred
  18. Thanks Boginspro, I've tried with that map web site again and I think the "Roses" area was nearer to where the Winter Garden and the Mercure Hotel complex stand now.
  19. Thank you Boginspro and Edmund for bulking out my post. That old map web site you have referenced looks a very useful tool. It shows that the “Eyre Street” reference is in fact the road, next along, from Norfolk Lane so there must have been a chunk of buildings around there used over time by Lewis Rose. Am I correct in thinking that the University area is where “Roses” were? That 1957 picture of the chap at the Bowling Green Street works is very interesting as 21 Bowling Green Street was the address of the “Philip Ashberry” concern that “Roses” took over in 1935 (including knocking it down) and then developed post WW11.
  20. Hello I was recently (and not unusually) in a charity shop looking at some teaspoons in an open cutlery sized cardboard box. I was “umming and ahing” about buying these 6 Victorian electroplated spoons that lacked any “meaningful” maker’s marks. That was until I turned the box lid over. I paid the money and the box (and the spoons) were mine. The image of the box lid is below, and that box had nothing to do with the contents. I was going to tack my photo on to somebody else’s thread, but I was astounded to not find that neither “Debesco Works” or the “Lewis Rose” concern that was based there, or “Roses” renowned owner are referenced on the forum. I already knew “stuff” about the “Debesco trademark” and “Lewis Rose Company Ltd” from another forum and the below illustrated spoon (that once might well have been covered by a box lid like that in my photo) is one of my own favoured spoons for making a coffee with. It seems from a Sheffield museums reference that the “Lewis Rose Company Ltd” was set up in 1922 by Isadore Lewis starting in the Mappin Buildings in Norfolk Street. Debesco was their trademark and Debesco Works was the name of a possible expanded workplace on Norfolk St. and Norfolk Lane (a P.S. about this later). There is elsewhere a reference also to a Debesco works on Eyre St. More clarification required please. My interest in Lewis Rose was with spoons and forks but below is some bladed interest. It is speculation on my part to suggest that the “Firth’s Stainless” knives in the photo may be pre WW2 while the knives with what appears to be a “Larko” Lewis Rose trademark could be post WW2. By the way who know what "whitening" is? My wife told me 1 option. The Spear & Jackson Company acquired Lewis Rose in 1969 but since the post WW2 period Lewis Rose had been using the “Ashberry” name in its production, as it had acquired Sheffield’s “Peter Ashberry&Sons” prior to WW2. I have given some ideas about Lewis Rose but any observations that can add to the story or contradict things are definitely required. But now why is there no reference on the forum to “Isadore Lewis, described by Sheffield’s Museums as Sheffield’s first Jewish Lord Mayor. Reference http://collections.museums-sheffield.org.uk/view/people/asitem/items@null:415/0?t:state:flow=34948cb9-a938-479b-b915-8bf7884dffb2 That was in 1963 and below is my last photo to show some of what his company was doing in the War years. That’s it fulfilling War Department broad arrow contracts facilitating our Army to march on its stomach. If there are any more “anoraks” like me, the 1942 item was a spoon and the 1944 item was a fork. The L.R.& Co. Ltd. has also been attributed elsewhere to Lewis Rose. Kalfred P.s. A little question here about Norfolk Lane. It does not appear on Google maps, but a Norfolk Row is there. Norfolk Lane addresses are to be found in “Sheffield Indexers” but latest address was 1925. Picturesheffield.com photos “shows rear” Howard Street and Norfolk Lane and Norfolk Lane from Howard St. I hope “Edmund” of cartography fame can help again.
  21. Hello, I have been attracted here by Boginspro's reference to the “Era Works” but after my first picture of an ad from a Graces Guide dated 1951 I will need to take the edge off the conversation. Below is a composite photo featuring marks on 2 kitchen items I will loosely describe as spoons. “Era Silver” can easily seen on both items and it is not unusual for the name of the “works” name to become the trademark or vice versa. Unfortunately we do not see the “Barber” name at all in my photo. We see “E.G&Co” on the older spoon and “Homesneeda” on what was a large drainer spoon. We do not see either abbreviation for Thomas Ellin or Joseph Elloit. The “Homesneeda” item has the possible makers mark, “H.S” in the triangle, as I do not think that the triangle mark represents “nickel silver” electroplate. Is there any guidance anywhere to indicate what companies are using the “Era Silver” name? Kalfred
  22. Thank you Edmund again. Its great! Lost history not lost anymore and available to anyone who cares to search. Kalfred
  23. Sorry Tozzin, I was going to call it "Gran's Sunday fruit cocktail set" but I did not think anyone else would know what I meant. Kalfred
  24. Thank you Edmund, for adding some early history about this Sheffield “Richardson” cutlery concern. However do we need a spreadsheet for it now though? Too many “Westalls” and “Williams”, and not to mention four or five “Cavendish Works”. If we accept that the “Cavendish Works” on Cavendish Street was not used by Westall Richardson” we have the following list for Cavendish Works. 1854 Broomspring Lane 1872 Broomhall Street 1892 Sarah Street ( Google shows this to be in Rotherham) 1964 Morpeth Street (and Upper Allen Street which seems to be an adjoining street) Does anyone have any corrections or additions? I do have 2 other questions from Edmund’s input though. I wonder if the white ass with the brown spots was returned or did November 1857 give a few extra hearty dinners to the locals? Also who would have believed that Environmental Health was so much on the ball in 1866? Kalfred
  25. Hello, I’ve come back to this post 7 months on because I was researching something else and found a couple of images that stirred a memory. Below are 2 items that were made by “James Lodge Ltd” and the first one may have a “Lodge” trademark (official or otherwise). The “Sweetline” mark was inside the box of a large spoon and fork serving set but all the impressed marks on the flatware are of more interest to me as they may answer my own question from May. The 7 spoon dessert set carries the 2 makers’ marks shown below. The company’s full mark is carried on the finial of the large serving spoon and the abbreviated mark is on the small spoons. Additionally the mark impressed on the server pair carries the same simple “J.L” that is on that military cutlery. Unusually I might have guessed correctly? Kalfred
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