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Kalfred

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  1. Just to underline “Tozzin’s” comments, the photo below is of an item currently for sale on line. Still “War Department, but perhaps these “J.W.Ward” tin snips issued in 1944 could be an interesting view for Sheffield forums fans. I have seen a few similar items at car boots and at auctions. Kalfred
  2. Hello. I just recently bought a War Department “broad arrow” dessert spoon with a for issue date of 1954. It took very little time for me to become stumped over whom might be the maker with the “W.S.Ltd” makers mark. During WWII, Sheffield was Government directed to continue being the centre for British cutlery manufacture and even some Birmingham companies needed to move to Sheffield in remain in that business. I am assuming “W.S.Ltd” was based in Sheffield as it was less than 10 years from the end of the War and am hoping that if that was the case there maybe Forum members who know or could speculate on the full maker’s name. I have images in my “collection” of 2 other similarly dated “broad arrow” pieces of cutlery and I hope the makers of these items might be identified as well. From 1950 there is a spoon with “M.S.Ltd” for its maker’s mark and from 1955 there is a fork with the maker’s mark “F.G.& S”. Like with my just purchased spoon, these makers may not be Sheffield based but I am hoping they are and there may be memories of company names. From information I was given in response to an earlier post, I understand the complex numbers on the items, are part of a “Nato” stock number. You may have noticed the 2 spoon marks have the same C.C.0731 on. Kalfred
  3. Hello, I was looking to upload a little bit about another Mother of Pearl handled fruit knife that I saw at an auction view. I did not have enough hands when I when I took the maker’s marks on the blade of the knife and was unable to stop a shake. Thus you will see later my improvisation but I think the ploy will help and confirm Liam’s knife dating. The duplicate mark was on a spoon. No confusion 1908 and agrees with the recorded dates for the maker. There is another post and 2 more fruit knives from “Cowlishaw” at the reference below. https://www.sheffieldhistory.co.uk/forums/topic/3761-john-y-cowlishaw/ Thinking now, about to the knife at the auction, it was made slightly earlier and by another silversmith. The blade maker is “AS” in an oval cartouche and that is “Arthur Worral Staniforth” and I looked on the forum and could not find him referenced with “us”. The site “silvermakersmarks.co.uk” gives his silversmithing dates as 1890-1919 and mentions folding button-hook and fruit knife as products. The date letter on the blade is the stylised “g” giving the date 1899. I did view the blade with a lens before the tremors came. The unmoving Sheffield marks again came from a spoon. “Arthur Worral Staniforth” appears to be referenced in the Sheffield Indexers at the turn of the 20th century as shown below. Staniforth, Arthur W. (, silver fruit knife manufacturer). Address: 50 Holly Street h.39 Sarah Street, in 1905. Recorded in: Whites Directory of Sheffield & Rotherham. Staniforth, Arthur W. (, Silver fruit knife manufacturer). Address: 50 Holly Street; h. 39 Sarah Street, in 1911. Recorded in: Whites Directory of Sheffield & Rotherham - 1911. I have just scratched the surface on "A.W.Staniforth" so there must be a little more to go with it. If anyone is interested the auction is 25.8.19 in the far NE of England and is normally on both the well known on line auction platforms. No I do not get cut of the sale price. Kalfred
  4. Hello, earlier this week I needed to look into some history and geography of the Sheffield electroplating company of “Henry Wilkinson”. I referred here to the Forum but I was only overwhelmed with posts about pubs and beerhouses. I think I must bring a little sobriety to the City immediately. Henry Wilkinson & Company started electroplating in 1843. They were the second firm in Sheffield to receive a licence to electroplate and they became Ltd. in 1872. The “Sheffield Indexers” have references for a Henry Wilkinson electroplater before that period though. Wilkinson, Henry (, Silver and Plated Manufacturers). Address: South Street, Park, in 1828-9. Recorded in: Pigot's Commercial Directory - 1828 to 1829. Wilkinson, Henry (, silver plate manfr.). Address: h. Low Street, Park, in 1833. Recorded in: Whites History & Directory of Sheffield - 1833. Wilkinson, Henry (, silver plate manfr.). Address: h. Pond Hill Terrace, in 1833. Recorded in: Whites History & Directory of Sheffield - 1833. Following those entries are 3 more that I assume refer to the “Company”. WILKINSON, Henry (Qualifying property, Warehouse and shops, Norfolk Street). Address: Endcliffe, Sheffield in 1843 - 1844. Recorded in: Sheffield Burgess Rolls. WILKINSON, Henry (Qualifying property, House and shop, 14 Broad Street). Address: Broad Street, Sheffield in 1864-65. Recorded in: Sheffield Burgess Rolls WILKINSON, Henry (Qualifying property, Warehouse and shops, Norfolk Street). Address: Endcliffe, Sheffield in 1864-65. Recorded in: Sheffield Burgess Rolls. Now I think I can ask my question. Below are 2 images with electroplate marks usually attributed to “Henry Wilkinson”. The trio were taken from the net but the single is the mark on a spoon I bought nearly 10 years ago. The pictorial “cross keys” as I understand it, was granted in 1784 by the "Cutlers Company" to "John Parsons & Co" a forerunner company of “Wilkinsons”. The “S” mark was regularly used to indicate Sheffield manufactured electroplated items. My question is about the probable fancy “M”. This is where the geography comes in. Could it be an indicator of a particular area of Sheffield? If not does anyone else have any ideas? Walker and Hall took over “Henry Wilkinson” in 1892 but may have continued to use the name and “mark” for a while. I also found a reference that gave a date of 1828 for the founding of the “Wilkinson” concern. To round off the extra information I will add that Henry Wilkinson had various silver marks registered with the Sheffield Silver Assay Office from 1831 to 1893. "Norfolk Street" was the address and from 1845 onwards the marks were very similar to the “HW&Co” mark shown in the trio image. There were marks also registered at the London Assay office. Do please add where there are omissions and correct any errors in my observations. Kalfred
  5. Hello, I can possibly offer some dating to the knife blades. The oldest of the 2 blades belongs to Adrian's knife. We see the crown mark and know tha blades were marked by the Sheffield Guild and thus I read the date letter as a stylised "u" and it means the silver was assayed just before WW1 in 1912. If the letter is not a "u", but is a fairly similar styled "n", it would be for 1905. George21's blade is wartime but likely WW2. The date letter, a lower case "y", that was used for 1941. The silver website "silvermakersmarks.co.uk" states that after the suicide the silver business was carried on by a son and gives 4 addresses for the base "Market Street, Sheffield; then in succession: Baker's Hill; Arundel Street; Napier Street" over the period 1862- 1950. Kalfred
  6. Pictured below is a carving set which I did not buy at last weekend’s car boot sale. I think you can just have too many carving sets. It carried a name that I had not come across before. Google was useless and the Forum and sheffield Indexers threw up a "tailor" of the same name. I also researched the “Elsine handle”. I found a “German” reference about an “Elsine” razor with a tortoiseshell handle. . Do we know anything about “Elsine regd”? Is it a producer of faux materials mimicing natural products? Are the handles on the carving set faux antlar? Uselessly I have nothing else to add but I think Sheffield Forum members will be able to give answers about this carving set. Kalfred
  7. Thank you "Steve.HB" for this extra snippet of info. Cutlery manufacturers then at least to the late 1950's. Kalfred
  8. Hello, looking for something interesting on line I noticed the 5 inch sauce ladle spoon in the photo below. The maker’s marks “Bennett & Heron” were not known to me but looked informative enough to maybe get a bit more history on. Obviously messes “Bennett & Heron” had put their names on an electroplated spoon that they wanted to tell customers was of “A1” quality. I had a quick search on “silvercollection.it”, an excellent reference site of history for electroplating companies. The reference there suggested “Bennett & Heron Ltd” of Sheffield could be retailers. I had a further search to see if I could find a little extra on the company. Perhaps the extract from the London Gazzette I found, is a starting point. It states up to 1927 they were a company of “Cutlers & Silvermiths”. This is possibly confirmed by the “Sheffield Indexers” entry shown below. HERON, Thomas (~, Cutlery Manufacturer (Bennett & Heron)). Address: 50 Holly Street, ~ in 1925. Recorded in: Sheffield & Rotherham Kelly?s Directory. Who was the silversmith then? I could not find a likely associated silver mark on line and I could not find a reference in the “Indexers” for “Jack Bennett”. I did wonder if the below, 1905, near contemporary “Bennett” reference could have been involved in the company. Bennett, William (, silversmith). Address: 32 Yadley Street, in 1905. Recorded in: White's Directory of Sheffield and Rotherham. We now need more information about “Bennett & Heron Ltd”. When did the firm start in business. Did it change after April 1927? Did they actually develop as retailers and not makers. Has anyone on the forum got any more “stuff” to add for a real history for “Bennett & Heron Ltd”? I found some more photos of “Bennett & Heron” spoons on line but below is something a little different. Kalfred
  9. I checked a few of the listed Sibray Hall & Co hallmarks. They had official marks at the Sheffield assay office and at London. The below mark is an early one for Sheffield, an unembellished letter “O” with a Monarch’s head, so for 1881. It features the initials of Frank Sibray and Job Hall but then, after the death of the former in 1891, there were of marks of various styles but featuring initials of “ Job Frank Hall”. When “Hall” retired around 1900, the company used a “CCP” mark relating to “ Charles Clement Pilling” who had taken the company on. It seems that “CCP” has only been noted on Sheffield or London silver items up to 1922.
  10. The "Sibray Hall & Co" company is an interesting alternative maker idea and the 1931 hallmark date does not totally exclude them. The marks I have posted may have been modified a little at the size I managed to enhance them to. That said the "SH" appears in 2 close but seperate cut corner squares and not in the single rectangle as in yours and the other example on the website I refered to. Silversmiths did however slightly change marks over time and not all changes have been recorded at assay centres. Further enquiries required. Kalfred
  11. Thank you SteveHB and Edmund for adding info to this post. Anybody know about the silversmithing? Did Hall & Co have a base in Sheffield or were the silver parts just "bough in" from Birmingham for Sheffield assay? Thanks Kalfred
  12. Hello is I was trawling through Ebay’s scissors looking for a scissorsmith when I saw the scissors shown below. I was intrigued and I had to have a bid, all be it, ultimately unsuccessfully. I felt I must post a photo, as these grape scissors are certainly “Sheffield”. These mixed metal scissors are easy to date using the date letter associated with the hallmark on the silver finger holes. The unembellished letter “o” without a Monarch’s head, together with the crown (for Sheffield) indicates the assay at the Sheffield Assay Office in 1931. The maker of the silver part of the scissors is indicated by the “S.H.&Co.” but I will reference that later. We can see from the rear pivot area of the scissors that the blades are made of Sheffield England stainless steel and from the pivot front we a clear pictorial probable trademark with lettering below it. The “nest” with eggs in was the trademark of Sheffield’s Southern & Richardson and I think you will be able to “fill in the spaces” to confirm that makers name. These cutlery makers were known at the “Don Cutlery Works” from the middle of the 19th century and there are several images of knives spread around the forum. One of these did suggest the trademark was a “thistle” or has this been a mis-interpretation of the image on a much older and tarnished knife compared to these 20th century scissors. From a reference I think I read on line, technically, the grape scissors may not have been made by “Southern & Richardson” as in the 1920s that named company had been incorporated into a larger Sheffield concern and the latter continued with the trademarks. Hopefully the “forum” can clear this up. Returning to the “S.H.&Co.” maker’s mark now. The website www.silvermakersmarks.co.uk that I always confidently use for identifying British silversmiths, identifies the silver finger parts as having been made “probably, by Sydney Hall & Co”, and gives them an address of “Birmingham”. If there is other information regarding the maker please enlighten us, as there will be would be many interested to know. I hope there are others on the forum, like me, who like and wish they owned the grape scissors. Kalfred
  13. Hello no spoons for me again today. Not all bad though. What do you think? The blades on these scissors are about 3 inches long. We see the "I.XL" mark clearly. On the the other side of the blade pivot area is a less clear mark that I believe says that the scissors are chromium plated.I supose dating the scissors is difficult, but they may well be from the same period as "SteveHB's" Kelly directories ad. Kalfred
  14. Hello can I stir the muddy water a little bit more? This is from a cutlery set. Kalfred
  15. Thanks Edmund In this case it seems the "mark" became the "works". I found another item, sorry not military and not a knife, but sharp non the less. A composite of marks on some scissors below. Kalfred
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