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  1. 2 hours ago, hilldweller said:

    If my memory serves me well, it doesn't usually, I seem to remember that it was used as a stand for milk churns awaiting collection. I may possibly remember a fellow miscreant trying to get one of the lids off to quench a thirst but if pressed I would plead the UK version of the fifth amendment

    That brings back memories  hilldweller  , there were stone ones, brick ones and wooden ones but I can't remember another galvanised metal one.  I thought of starting a "Milk Churn Stands" topic but the only ones I may remember would now be under new developments. If anyone knows of any more that still exist this one would be a good start for that topic.


  2. Children’s Corner, Firth Park. Just above where the bowling greens and tennis courts were, Firth Park Road in the background. I think that is the same park keeper’s lodge that I remember from my time in Sheffield, but looking at Google Earth it appears to have gone, I wonder when that happened?

    I like the sign on the swings “ FOR BOYS UNDER (?) STANDING UP NOT ALLOWED”.

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/392375304094?ul_noapp=true

    childrens_corner_1925_firth_park.jpg


  3. Embassy Court really stood out as a landmark on The Park, we considered the place rather posh even in the 50's. Here it is in 1935 looking over the Midland Railway line. Full picture here   ----  Britain From Above   ------  https://britainfromabove.org.uk/en/image/EPW047988

    EDIT - Working from a very dodgy memory but I think they must have been pulled down in  the 80's, not sure but I think the flats above and most of that area was cleared again about '85 so I think they couldn't  have lasted much longer. I seem to remember Embassy Court still standing with rubble all around and was surprised that they were finally demolished but there were rumours structural defects..

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  4. Quite a few John Y Cowlishaw items appear on Ebay, This lovely silver pocket button hook is on at the moment for 48.00 including postage and described as   ------  

    " A fine antique Sterling silver Folding Pocket Button Hook ,the Mother of Pearl polished and engraved to one face polished flower handle side , the hook silver with hallmarks has signs of use , this beautiful item is hallmarked sterling silver for John Yeomans Cowlishaw ,Sheffield Sterling . L = 1903 Cowlishaw killed himself late 1890 s ,the mark continued to be used by his son ,the Silver with small use marks need a clean in the details , the spring action fine and tight the mother of pearl in good condition ,sold as shown , the size approx 5.5 cm long x 1.2 cm wide , it will improve with a clean, lots of high quality items listed . New to the market from House Clearance . "

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/antique-Sterling-Silver-pocket-Button-Hook-M-O-P-John-Y-Cowlishaw-Sheff-1903/323788912386?hash=item4b6352b702:g:IloAAOSwNZxcwg03

    john_y_cowlishaw_button_hook_open.jpg

    john_y_cowlishaw_button_hook_closed.jpg

    john_y_cowlishaw_marks.jpg


  5. 10 hours ago, frechylass said:

    old no 12 (market tavern) berni inn steak house on orchard st

    Hello   frechylass , The Old No 12 (Market Tavern) Berni Inn was on Exchange Street. I may be wrong here but I think the Dore Grill on Church Lane,  Dore was a Berni Inn. There are a few posts on here mentioning Berni Inns, There might be the odd comment in one of those that helps, link below  . ---------- EDIT I think the one on Orchard Street was just called Berni Steak Bar or something like that.

    https://cse.google.co.uk/cse?cx=partner-pub-3209186142524727%3A3018540469&ie=UTF-8&q=&sa=Search#gsc.tab=0


  6. 14 minutes ago, Nigel Bundy said:

    It is the same size as other Joseph Rogers hunting knifes I have seen on the internet. The only difference is it has a wooden handle and they had horn handles. Also I took it to the Antiques Roadshow, the lady who looked at it was trying to find a colleague how was particularly interested in "penknives"but he was not available. We discussed the size of the knife, and she agreed that it was two big for a pen/pocket knife and that it could be a hunting knife. 

    Thanks for that information , I will keep an eye out for one of them, it looks like a handy size for many things, I like a big knife in the garden. I should have added above that I have been told that the dryness of central heating is not good for the wooden handles but if well oiled it should be OK, I think it is more a problem of contraction and expansion due to moisture content changing.


  7. 41 minutes ago, Nigel Bundy said:

    I would like to know how to look after the wooden handle and blade?

    This is my way and roughly what my uncles did, they were all in the cutlery trade.

    You need to wash the knife as needed but dry it off quickly and thoroughly and don't soak the handle or leave the blade to start rusting.
    Don't leave the knife in sunlight.
    Keep the knife oiled, any good wood oil for the handle, though I use olive oil.
    For the blade I use light machine oil but anything that stops rust is OK, you don;t want to ever need to scour the blade.
    Nice knife I think you asked for information about this knife previously, where did you get the information that it is a hunting knife please?


  8. It has me baffled why a pub in Sheffield would be called the California Tap, was it a nickname like The Cuckoo and if so why? Or perhaps an owner moved to California in the fashion that I believe North America Farm got it's name. Ideas / guesses anyone please?

    Even Horse and Garter seems a bit unusual to me, I can't think of another one.


  9. 3 hours ago, SteveHB said:

    Memorandum that Mary Ann Whitaker, widow, took the tenancy on 12 July 1856."

    In the directories below it is just listed as the Horse and Garter with different addresses in the same area. .   

    1825 Gell's - Crownshaw Thomas, victualler, Horse and Garter, 34,
    Water 1ane.

    1833 White's - Lowe Isaac, Horse and Garter beer house, 54, Bridge street

    1852 White's - "Whitaker Wm. vict. Horse and Garter, 32 Bridge street

    1856 White's - "Whitaker Mary Ann, vict. Horse and Garter, 32 Bridge street"


  10. On 09/04/2007 at 20:35, nosy nellie said:

    my grandmother was one of them mentioned

    Hello  nosy nellie , a bit off topic but here goes anyway. your gran would probably have known some of my family, the Broadheads, who lived and worked in the area, it was a lovely friendly place at the time. I think one of my uncles worked at the Port Mahon works at the side of court 13.

    I couldn't resist having a look to see what was there now and was surprised to see on an aerial view that you can see the outline of the streets etc. at times of dry weather. There also appears to be a path that now follows the line of Burlington and Hammond Streets just above Court 13.

    https://zoom.earth/#view=53.387527,-1.484314,18z/layers=archive1,labels

    https://www.sheffieldhistory.co.uk/forums/uploads/monthly_09_2008/post-188-1220941618.jpg

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  11. 2 hours ago, Heartshome said:

    Hi boginspro. Been back Norton Lees, and had a word with the gentleman volunteer historian in Bishops House, he was most intrigued about the Trough and Pump, we went to have another look at the black pipes.One has a screw cap on so must be some sort of inspection pipe, the other is bent at an angle, the man thinks it was the old post for a sign that was cut off !? We looked around for clues as to where the exact location might have been, the road was widened, taking up quite a bit of ground from when this picture was taken, that makes it a bit more tricky. He said he would try and find out a bit more about it, and when I go again, we will have an indepth search from photo's and maps.

    I did call at the house on the corner,and spoke to the owner explaining about the Trough and Pump, he said he didn't know about it, and had found nothing in his garden. There are quite a few feaures where digging has been done at some point.I will let you know.

    Thanks  Heartshome , looking again at maps and the pictures I think that if the pump is marked accurately on the old maps it looks like any clues available would be very close to the boundary wall. It surprises me that the property owner doesn't know of the old well/pump, perhaps not as nosey as me.

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  12. 6 hours ago, unrecordings said:

    trying to figure out if the ghostly silhouette in the top left of the photo is a distant tree or rooftop - looks a little angular but having problems focussing on it...

    I did wonder if it was this building, you can see it closer up in the previous images. My memory of the area is very poor, is that building Brook House?

    Good find unrecordings  and Edmund it is great to find connections to names on these old postcards.

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/R-L-Postcard-Fulwood-and-Forge-Dam-Sheffield-landscape/142778535115?hash=item213e438ccb:g:IWEAAOSw46ha3w1t

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  13. Holmhirst Road, 'then' is from an Ebay postcard "pre. - 1914", Now from Google Street View shows that the houses on the right have kept a lot of their character while the left has all been developed, including the Woodseats Methodist Church.   ------------       https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Holmhirst-Road-Sheffield-Yorkshire-RP-Postcard/383022378852?hash=item592de9af64:g:LncAAOSwCY5dEQ~j

    https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.3413391,-1.4806616,3a,75y,343.86h,88.9t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDuiEBUVj-GadPnzSFO-TqA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

    holmhirst_road.jpg

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  14. Britain From Above has images from 1933 when the back to backs were still at the at the side of the George Hotel, corner of Arley Street. The same site has a 1952 image when T.C. Harrison were across from number 66. On both of these I think you can see the back of the Talbot Hotel 57/59  Boston Street and also number 66 at the side of the passage which is opposite Harrison's in the later one.

    Picture Sheffield has an early image, 1901, showing the Talbot Hotel looking the other way. According to Picture Sheffield at that time the cutlery works were 53/55 with court 11 behind the pub.

    https://britainfromabove.org.uk/image/EPW041622        ------------     https://britainfromabove.org.uk/image/EAW042505       -------------      http://picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;s09921&pos=8&action=zoom&id=13015     ---------------

    1933

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    1952

    boston_street_1952.png

    1901

    talbot_hotel_boston_street_1901.jpg


  15. 13 hours ago, lapsed blade said:

    Do any of you know where I can find / access  maps & old photo circa 1920  related to Boston Street off London rd  I was born at no66 and moved when I was 5 1954 a recent  search showed my Dads family living at no55 which would have been on the opposite side of the road I guess but I only remember this being TC Harrisons

    many thanks

    Here is a 1920 map and a 1954 with house numbers so you should be able to pinpoint the houses. If you look around on those sites you may find something better.     ------   https://maps.nls.uk/view/125651248       -----------  https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/435500/387500/13/101329    ----------

    1920

    boston_street_1920.png

    boston_street_54.pngAn overlay of the two maps, not very exact, sorry I was a bit short of time but it shows roughly where both houses were,   ----

    boston_street_overlay.png


  16. 13 hours ago, rover1949 said:

    I've often wondered how stone troughs were made.

    Did they just chip out the middle with a hammer and chisel or was there some way of cutting out the middle section?

    Most troughs you would find in the Sheffield area would have been carved from a single block of gritstone or sandstone. In some areas of Yorkshire and Derbyshire where slate was easily available they were made of sheets of slate bound together with iron staples to make them watertight, I wonder if there are any of those left in the Sheffield area.
     


  17. 2 minutes ago, Heartshome said:

    They are narrow, I am sure they are just modern inspection pipes for something. The spring that fed this pump goes down into the park, running from higher up I believe, where there was another trough and pump near some cottages, I think not far from the Church.

    Thanks, I'll have a look at some old maps.


  18. 14 minutes ago, Heartshome said:

    Hi boginspro, went to investigate the area of the well & pump for you. Re your 2nd photo:- just over the short bit of wall, a few feet down the pathway, among the grass & weeds, are 2 tall black pipes. One has a top on it, that is obviously to screw off to inspect something. Standing at that point with a copy of old photo in-hand, I think it could have been the location. I have left it with my friend up there, to try and get more info from the residents for you.

    Hello Heartshome, and thank you, are either of the pipes big enough to be the base pipe of the pump please?  I have not come across an old type pump with two pipes, normally the base is the lift pipe, but a diesel, petrol, or electrical pump could have been fitted at a later date. Where I live now Lister engined pumps replaced the old hand pumps a long time ago. The last hand pumped well I used you had to prime the pump with a bucket of water to get it working so once you had your bucket full there was not much point in using the pump.


  19. According to the site linked to below Green & Hatfield were the first to brew at Cannon Brewery in 1838 and William Stones acquired the brewery in 1912. But Wikipedia says Stones purchased the lease of the Neepsend Brewery in 1868 and renamed it the Cannon Brewery. Does the newspaper advertisement mention the brewers name in  1897 please Edmund  .

    https://www.bcd-urbex.com/stones-cannon-brewery-sheffield/

    EDIT It looks like the linked site is not correct because Picture Sheffield has an image labelled   "Annual horse parade of William Stones Ltd., Cannon Brewery, Date:  09/06/1902"

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