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  1. 1 hour ago, makapaka said:

    The Luftwaffe did have some involvement also though  !!!

    Quite so, but when I said "lovely friendly places with some fine buildings" I did say  " in my lifetime"  and was referring to what was left after the war. I think most people on here would agree with the very often used comment that  " the council have done more damage than Hitler".   For instance the Luftwaffe didn't destroy those buildings just past Baker Street in the photograph.


  2. 1 hour ago, togger said:

    Good evening all,

    Looking for information and an image (not holding my breath), of the BARRELL INN, Anson street sheffield which is the last road at the bottom of South Street, Park. Anyone got any information please? 

    This is interesting togger  , Anson Street was not a long street so it should be possible to sort this one.  The nearest Barrel I know of was ( in the pubs list) on Lord Street which did intersect with Anson Street.

    Good luck with this one, I am sure someone on here will come up with something. Are there any more clues available please, eg. landlords name or year?

     


  3. Another one I thought of was pit prop tapper, I am not sure of the correct title but a friend of mine did this job about fifty years ago, tapping the props down a coal mine, the sound he heard told him if the props were tight and doing their job safely.


  4. And the door to door salesman selling out of a large suitcase, I think the Betterwear man was one of these.  Betterwear later became Betterware and though they were in administration at one time there is now a company with the later name selling online (Betterware UK).

    I remember a suitcase salesman wearing a turban who often came round our end, one day he told my father that he had "snake eyes" and put a curse on him because he wouldn't buy anything.


  5. I was looking at places now gone and suddenly thought of jobs / trades now gone. My first three jobs are now almost extinct, they were -  shoe repairer (we didn't like to be called cobblers) - milk man - and bus conductor. 

    I remember when I got my first job my dad said  "well at least people will always need shoes"  , we could not then foresee  the throw away society that we have now.


  6. 8 hours ago, Gamal said:

    I also often look at then and now pictures and videos, but after looking I get a sence of sadness and anger because of what's been lost.

    Attercliffe Road is a fine example of great and grand buildings demolished for what?! To be replaced by shrubs, weeds and carparks.

    Well put, that's just how I feel, Attercliffe, Darnall, Tinsley etc.  were lovely friendly places with some fine buildings, but in my lifetime those in charge of such things always seemed to prefer something like "Blitzkrieg" tactics rather than saving anything.


  7. High Street now Attercliffe Road, Baker Street left, Shirland Lane right. The bank building is still there, as is the Queens Head building and a few more further down but what a shame we have lost the buildings just past Baker Street, which were still there when I was in Sheffield, though not in that condition.

    I often look at then and now type images and wonder why our street scenes are so bland and boring now, but I think the answer to that would be very long and complicated. 

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  8. 5 hours ago, thestars said:

    Does any one have any info on the Salts Drink shop  that used to be at the top of Weedon street Attercliffe common ? Any info , photos would be amazing.

     

    Many Thanks 

    Hello thestars   , have you any more information on this, for instance what year, was it a temperance bar or have you anything else that might be a clue.  I knew the area reasonably well 50 odd years ago but don't remember it in my lifetime at that location.


  9. On 24/03/2011 at 12:44, CalScotsGran said:

    Hi -I was born in Sheffield but left for Canada when I was 5 - 60 years ago. I have always heard about my Grandfather, William Saynor making this knife with a record number of attachments and that it was in the Sheffield Museum. I have just finished my Saynor/Gillott Family Tree and want to put extra information in like this. Would anyone here have any photos or know where I might find this kind of information? It might have been the Weston Park Museum as I do remember going there a lot, plus as silly as this might sound - I remember a Polar Bear that was still there in 1976 when I returned for a visit to my home town. Thanks in advance for any help.

    Sheffield Archives & Local Studies Library have these catalogues etc.

    W. Saynor Limited

    Specialists in Cutlery for Horticultural purposes

    Carlton Works, Sidney Street, Sheffield

    • Catalogue / price list, [20 th cent] (Sheffield Archives: MD7761/5)

    • Catalogues, 1966, 1970 and 1971 (Sheffield Local Studies Library: TRC SAYN)

    • Catalogues / price lists, 1957, 1971, 1981 and no date (Sheffield Archives: SY764)

    Saynor Cooke and Ridal

    Manufacturers of pruning knives and scissors, etc.

    Paxton Works, Edward Street, Sheffield

    • Papers, 1882-1948 (Sheffield Archives: NVT/7)

    • Certificates of awards: Exposition Universelle, 1878; Cutlers Co

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    Some Saynor marks below -

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    EDIT  --- Is W H Saynor & Son Ltd:  Metal Finishing Services - who were wound up in 2010 of any interest    --------  https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/01228664/filing-history

    Also - 1855 Paris Universal Exhibition - Second-Class Medal Saynor and Cooke


  10. Great work  Calvin72, I like the information board. I know from my Grand-kids that young 'uns find it hard to understand how and why Sheffield has changed and it's great to stand on the spot, look at the board and then look around them. As I will probably never be able to see the board or even Sheffield again I wonder if there is any chance of a higher resolution picture of the board please?


  11.  

    Charlie Deamer and the Gearless Bus

    And here is a bit from the same place about a man, some of the older ex Sheffield Transport workers will remember, who solved some of the problems with the "Gearless Bus".

    Charles Deamer Graduates to Bus Engineer

    By 1937 with a persistent characteristic, Charlie Deamer graduated to the post of a qualified motor engineer, though he did not get on with Mr G Pulfrey. Attending a local college, he completed a motor engineering course, qualifying with distinction and, as Pulfrey left his Sheffield post to take up the Managerial position at Kingston upon Hull, Deamer’s career was assured. Thomas Anthonies succeeded Pulfrey and he favoured Charles Deamer with a technical post at the Central Works at Queens Road.

    There were still problems with “slipping” torque converters, particularly in the hot summer months on the very hilly services to Shirecliffe and Southey Green, and Deamer was appointed by Anthonies to look into the problem and to find a cure. Overheating of the paraffin/lubricating oil mixture was the root cause and Charlie consulted the specification recommended by Leyland. Immediately he saw that the “high boiling point grade” of Paraffin had not been adhered to, Sheffield had been using a cheaper, lower grade – after this was rectified, an improvement was immediately effected. Not withstanding this, there continued to be loss of drive in certain circumstances of operation. Being an amateur gardener, Charlie was familiar with maximum and minimum temperature gauges and ingeniously he used small examples placed in the converter fluid header tank. On taking out a “Gearless Bus” on test, he could confirm the exact point of the loss of drive experienced, by checking the two readings.

    EDIT - I believe that Charlie was awarded a British Empire Medal in the mid 60's.

     

     


  12. From the Leyland Torque Magazine ----- 

     

    Driving a Titan Torque Converter "Gearless Bus" in 1948

                  The bus in question is to operate Sheffield route 3, OUTER CIRCLE, a short working from Malin Bridge to Bellhouse Road. After entering the cab and taking his seat the, driver on glancing around would notice that although the hand controls, a change speed lever to his left, and the hand brake to his right, were normal, the foot controls were not!  On the right of the steering column was the accelerator pedal and the brake pedal was in the center. On the left, where one would expect a clutch pedal or preselective gear engaging pedal, but there was simply a foot rest. A knowledgeable driver would now be aware that he was in control of a “GEARLESS BUS”.

                  We shall assume that the vehicle is GWE 730, Titan TD5c with a Cravens body, new in 1940, and number 431 in the “A” fleet. The time is 4.10pm towards the end of June. It is a warm day and we have a fair loading of passengers. The driver checks for intermediate position (neutral) by means of the left-hand lever, presses the starter button on the dash in front of him and the engines comes into life. There are two bells from the conductor, the control lever is pushed forward and a slight clunk comes from the toggle-clutch as the torque converter is engaged.

                  The handbrake (push on type) is released and pulled back, a “tickety –tick” sound from the free-wheel is noticeable. On accelerating, this ceases and the bus moves forward very smoothly and turns right into Holme Lane. The engine is revving at its maximum governed speed, the road speed increasing until at about 20 mph the change speed lever is pulled back into direct drive. Approaching the stop before Middlewood Road, the brakes are applied and a few yards before we come to a halt, the lever is pushed forward to engage the converter. The free-wheel sound is again heard and the bus coasts to a halt, with a final application of the foot brake. Starting off once more, a left turn is made into Middlewood Road where the slight gradient necessitates the constant use of the converter. The engine is again running at the governed speed, and there is a constant, steady drone from the induction system. The gradient levels out alongside Hillsborough Park and the lever is pulled back into direct drive. With a slight clunk, the drone is replaced by the mellow roar of the 8.6 oil engine, similar to a standard TD5.

                  Turning right we traverse Leppings Lane, passing the Sheffield Wednesday Football Ground in the process. On leaving the Leppings Lane /Herries Road stop, the usual procedure is followed and on reaching the Five Arches Railway viaduct, an angler from the adjacent pond is picked up. Given the starting bell, the driver fully depresses the accelerator, the engine reaches its governed speed, and simultaneously the hand brake is released. Slowly, the bus moves forward up the hill, though the engine is racing, progress at best is “steady”. We pass Scraith Wood to stop at a point near Penrith Road and at this stage there is a wisp of steam from the radiator cap. It is a warm day and we have a”boil” on. Laboriously starting off again, we reach the summit at Moonshine Lane and on stopping to set down, steam blows furiously from the radiator cap. Allowing a couple of minutes to cool down, the water is replenished from an obliging shopkeeper nearby. We were lucky that the fluid in the converter did not “gasify”, or there would have been a loss of drive. Continuing down Herries Drive, with direct engagement, the steep pull up Longley Lane necessitates a forward movement of the lever to engage the torque converter to climb to the stop opposite the Firth Park Grammar School. The change is achieved by leaving the right foot flat down on the accelerator and pushing the control lever forwards, the engine again attaining its governed speed, stopping near the school. There is one more slow climb to Sheffield Lane Top and here we turn right into Hatfield House Lane, travelling on this level throroughfare to the terminus at Bellhouse Road, breathless, after an almost four mile journey, ready to return to Malin Bridge on route 2.

                  Passengers all off, the bus turns right into Bellhouse Road, prior to reversing into Shiregreen Lane opposite the Concord Park gates. Neutral is selected, and then an attempt to engage reverse is frustrated by a grinding noise from the selector dogs. Stubbornly, reverse gear cannot be engaged, but our driver has experienced this problem before. The trick here is to stop the engine and re-engage reverse ratio – usually this was successful. If not the process was repeated until reverse was selected! Drawing up to the stopping place, the engine was stopped, to wait departure time to return to Malin Bridge.

                  This adventure was a fairly typical journey on a “GEARLESS BUS”, a mix of flat and hilly terrain, having one long ascent and one moderate descent down Longley Lane. The latter feature would remind the driver that there was very little engine braking effect on this type of bus and with much reliance on the brakes.

     


  13. On 17/04/2008 at 11:40, RichardB said:

    Old Grindstone
    1-3 Crookes, S10
    Open 1822 Closed Span 186
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    1822 George Steade
    1825 George Steade
    1828 George Steade

    1830 George Steade
    1833 George Steade [ Hallam Gate ]
    1834 George Steade
    1837 George Steade
    1841 George Stead
    1845 George Stead
    1849 Sarah Stead
    1852 Sarah Stead
    1853 Wm Machin [ owned by Peter Spooner ]
    1856 John Machin to James Hoole
    1859 Charles Lawton [ Old Grindstone ]
    1862 Charles Lawton
    1863 Unoccupied
    1864 James Martin [ Old Grindstone ]
    1865 J Morton
    1868 S. Warburton [ 1 Crookes ]
    1871 Samuel Warburton
    1876 S Warburton
    1879 S Warburton [1-3 Crookes ]
    1881 Benjamin Gill
    1883 Benjamin Gill
    1887 Joseph Eyre
    1888 Joseph Eyre
    1889 Charles Beevers [ 1-3 Crookes ]
    1890 Charles Tomas Pacey
    1893 Mrs Elizabeth Ann Pacey
    1895/6 Richard John Watts
    1898 George E Elliott [ 1-3 Crokkes ]
    1900 to 1903 Frederick Bradshaw
    1905 Fred Bradshaw
    1907 Fred Bradshaw
    1910 to 1913 Frederick Bradshaw
    1916 Thomas Alfred Womak
    1917 Thomas Alfred Womak
    1919/20 Thomas Alfed Womak
    1921 Thomas Alfred Womak/ Womack
    1923 to 1925 Mrs Ruth Womack
    1929 Mrs Ruth Womack
    1931 to 1933 Mrs Ruth Womack
    1936 to 1939 Mrs Ruth Womack
    1942 Mrs Ruth Womack
    1943 Mrs Ruth Womack
    1948 Mrs Ruth Womack
    1951 Mrs Ruth Womack




    Photo © J H Crawshaw http://www.flickr.co...57603766504466/

    Old Grindstone between 1916 and 1921.

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  14. 1 hour ago, Old rider said:

    My mother born 1912 always claimed to remember when there was a bear in the bear pit.

    I think that may have been one of those childhood memories that we all have that get mixed up with stories we are told at the time, or possibly there was a previous model bear. There is some reference to dates further up this post and according to Picture Sheffield and the Botanical Gardens websites the bears were removed about 1870, possibly after a child fell in and was killed.       ----------      http://picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;s11037&pos=2&action=zoom&id=14059       ---------------         http://www.sbg.org.uk/portfolio-items/bear-pit/


  15. 1 hour ago, paulhib48 said:

    There was definitely a server problem between Saturday and Sunday that affected this site and Owlstalk the owners other site. 

    It seemed to affect people in different ways and over different periods of time

    Thanks for that confirmation, at first I wondered if the firewall on my router was causing the problem.

    It certainly was unusual, I couldn't get it to load on any of our PC's or laptop but found that it loaded on my mobile 'phone so I changed my browser view to mobile view and it loaded OK. After that it loaded in normal view but I had to go through the same routine on my wife's PC.


  16. On 30/04/2009 at 21:13, transit said:

    ...heres a pic of the resultant damage, pictured just inside the Central Works, Queens Rd (pic1) - so much that it had to be re-bodied to the "newer" style design , and has survived into preservation at Sandtoft (pic2) taken last year

    Quite spectacular, I was going the other way at the time working route 95, I think, for overtime (suet). I don't think that even before this we would knowingly have let someone bring a can of petrol on board but a few  passengers showed a lack of common sense, I remember in the 60's I was a conductor and a bloke wanted to thread a ladder up inside a back loader on route 13, he was quite put out that I wouldn't let him.


  17. Thanks Killamarshian    that picture really captures what it was like, though it was taken many years after my paddling days I wouldn't have known, not much had changed. As a kid a visit to Millhouses was a real treat, ride on a tram, paddle boats, paddling pool and fishing in the river. As I got older it was watching the cricket and swimming. You mentioned the murky water in the pool and I remember diving from the high board, to me it wasn't the diving in that was frightening but the return to the surface in that dark water, I was always glad to see daylight.

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  18. 1 hour ago, Alastair said:

    Or is this Rivelin?

    I am sure that is Millhouses, I lived close to Rivelin, that paddling pool was very close to the road with just iron railing, a narrow grass patch and stone wall separating the pool from the road. Picture Sheffield has images for comparison    -------   

    Millhouses   http://picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?searchterms=millhouses+paddling&action=search&keywords=all%3BCONTAINS%3B%25millhouses%25%3BAND%3Ball%3BCONTAINS%3B%25paddling%25%3B   ------------  

    Rivelin   http://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;u05220&pos=2&action=zoom


  19. Looking at the maps this tall old wall looks like it could have been the police station back yard wall and the change in brick work on the scout hut seems to suggest  that the scout hut may be an extension of the old building in the back yard of the police station, certainly there are two stages of building and some window alterations..  Below is an old map over new one to show where the boundaries were,  ----------  

    https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.3778189,-1.5018106,3a,30y,306.55h,92.81t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEIOBdJuI1qEOnZUMqeJ1-w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

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    https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=19&lat=53.3780&lon=-1.5018&layers=168&b=1

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