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  1. Hadfields at East Hecla Works on Vulcan Road was truly one of the great Sheffield firms, and it is a tragedy that it has disappeared. I worked in the offices there for a short time in the 1950s --in the Sales R department, where the boss was a guy called Jack Bowles. I cannot imagine that any of the people who were in that office with me are still around, for most of them were a lot older than me. My closest colleague at that time was a lad called Mike Williams, and I believe he later ran a ppst office somewhere in the Sheffield area, but, sadly, he died a few years ago.

    I know that one of the people in the metallurgy department was the famous old Sheffield United player Harry Johnson, who scored more than 200 goals for the Blades. In that department, too, there was a man called Knowles.

    HI OCSK One of my best friends worked there in the offices, his name was Stan Pell he was assistant chief engineer he would be working in that era you mentioned, He was no prude, but a real gent, and all the years l knew him l never heard him utter a swear word, He rose to officer rank in the last war, did you happen to know him old canny,


  2. "Inventors began making improvements to wood burning stoves primarily to contain the bothersome smoke that was being produced. Fire chambers were invented that contained the wood fire, and holes were built into the top of these chambers that cooking pots with flat bottoms could be placed directly upon replacing the cauldron. One masonary design of note, was the 1735 Castrol stove (aka stew stove) invented by French architect François Cuvilliés. It completely contained the fire, and had several opening covered by iron plates with holes.

    Iron Stoves

    Around 1728, cast iron ovens really began to be made in quantity. These first ovens of German design were called Five-plate or Jamb stoves."


    HI Vox As a lad about 15 or 16 I worked on many different types of cooking ranges, the basic types, mostly on decrepit slum type cottage property, consisting of a fire bottom grate [replaceable] as was the 5 bar front ,with the top 3 bars hinged to let down to form a flat surface to put on the iron kettle or stew pan, and the much used frying pan!, the left hand side being a container with a top opening lid mostly used to keep the kindling dry [ on the more modern type it had a brass tap at the bottom and used to provide hot water],the other side was the cast iron oven, also renewable, usually with 2 cast iron shelves,one for cooking and the other wrapped in an old piece of blanket [ a forerunner of the old rubber hot water bottle] and usually put in the kids bed on winter nights ,the fire back was formed to provide a ledge at the level of the closed up front bars [ to take a pan] it was then sloped high up to the the dividing wall with next doors fire back . ln the better class property was the Yorkshire Range similar to the other but had shelveing over the oven and fire to keep food hot, both types was kept shining with black lead sparingly applied then brushed vigorously to give a lovely finish,[this was my job as a youngster, to get an extra penny spending money. Those were the days . Skeets

  3. Hi,

    The Pye Bank Road shown on the map used to be Pitsmoor Road. When they redeveloped the Woodside area in the early 1960s, It was decide to creat a new road through the area and this was given the name Pitsmoor Road. The section up from Mowbray Street was the same for both versions of Pitsmoor Road but once it passed over the railway, the new version vered to the left and made a much easier climb up the hill before reconnecting with the old r in oad, near Christ Church.

    Because of differences in elevation and other problems, the lower end of the old Pitsmoor Road (now renamed Pye Bank Road) was disconnected from the rest of the road but this would have made it a dead end. Therefore, it was decided to connect it with Rock Street instead. This connection was a new piece of road that didnt exist before.

    Looking at the map, I would say the details were as it was in the early1960's when the old Woodside area and the area above the railway (ie. Marcus Drive, Neville Drive) had had been redeveloped. I drove up the new version Pitsmoor Road for the first time in the spring of 1964 and even then, it had been in use for some time.

    The Map also shows the older part around Nottinghams Street, Thistle Street, Verdon Street, etc. to still be in place. My mother lived on Thistle Street and that area wasn't wasn't cleared until the spring/summer of 1968.


    HI Falls

    l was interested in this topic as l worked all round this area as a joiner for Frank Astling on Somerset rd [above the old quarry] in 1941 to 48, One place was the Vicarage [ Dunsbyowl mentioned] we went to repair some defective flooring in the hall there was very thick lino and carpeting it was only this that held it together and the dry rot had affected the whole of the hall,. When the Vicar saw this he said Good Gracious and off he went when he came back we had bared the Dining Room floor for his inspection,[ that was the same]

    When he came in later balancing precariously on the battens we had put down the hall, my mate shouted be careful, but a little too late he went through and his vocabulary changed from Good Gracious to God All Mighty and when we helped him up and sat him down he was very distressed to the point of tears, we asked if he had hurt himself he said no l am upset for blaspheming one should never take the Lord's name in vain And with unconscious humour, my mate said we won't tell anyone if you don't. Cheers Skeets PS no one has mentioned Woodside Lane

  4. The road was Melbourne Ave, at the back of Sheffield Girls High School. and yes I STR it was a private/ unadopted road.

    (sorry for coming in 2 years late, just seen this post! :o )

    HI Plain talker Thanks for the correction l must have been daydreaming because l have known the name for 80 years since we went scromping apples on there after coming out of Broomhill school

  5. A bit of help req!

    In the May 21st 1850 edition of the Derbyshire Mercury there is a notice advertising the Sale of the Estate of Samuel Shaw of Norton Hall.

    One of the Many Lots up for Sale is The Lay Rectory of Norton with the Chancel of Norton Parish Church, or such part as belonged to the said Samuel Shaw, thereof and a rent charge of £14 per Annum upon lands in the Parish of Norton in lieu of Rectorial Tythes.

    Just out of interest can any one explain how this arrangement worked, ie did the Shaws own the Chancel?

    Also any info on the following Lots in the Sale.

    A Brick yard with Dwelling House and Brick Kilns thereon at Meadowhead

    A well frequented Public House at Norton Woodseats

    A Mansion House called Low Fields House half a mile from Sheffield with Gardens, Pleasure gardens,Vineries,Hot Houses, Stables and Out Buildings.

    About 13 Acres of Coal in the Township of Coal Aston.

    Thanks Southside

    HI Southside l think the brickyard referred to is lower down than Meadowhead, the old Woodside brickworks on Chesterfield Rd, l think is the one, now Homebase which was the first to be built on that site after the brickworks closed. The Public House would have been the Norton Hotel at Meadowhead or the Abbey at the bottom, having said that the Chantry on Woodseats bottom was a popular watering hole in those days after the haul up from Lowfields both for man and beast. not quite sure on that Regarding the Mansion House at Low Fields that would probably have been the one situated at the bottom of Sharrow Lane.

    [Although l had to submit a Property Condition for the Estates Surveyors Dept] on this building, l can't recall its name. Taking a guess at the Coal Aston land, l believe this was where the Holmesdale Estate was eventually built by Redmiles whom l was told the great,great grandfather bought the land for a song with no building rights, till the ban was lifted about a century later. Take this info with a pinch of salt but its not far out.Food for thought anyway. Cheers Skeets.

  6. No, its not another of my collection of miniature clocks, - some of which I have made myself.

    It is a real clock, - could be considered by some to be a bit dodgy.

    Is it Firth Park Library skeets

  7. Correct it is not a railway clock,

    but nearest rail line is just 300 yds away.

    Steve l do not know where it is, but it is either the old double faced clock or a replica that used to be on the corner of the old Midland station . skeets

  8. Can anyone help with this? I have a death anouncement from The Star in March 1956 which confirms that a burial was to take place at Crookes and the service at the B and C Chapel. My question is where was the B and C Chapel in 1956?

    The anouncement says the burial will take place at ....pm and the service at ........pm. The actual times are not readable as they are on the crease of the page which wasn't completly flat when it was photographed. I think this means that the burial took place first and the service afterwards at a different time, which would indicate that the B and C Chapel was somewhere else in Sheffield other than Crookes.

    I assume that the B and C stands for Brightside and Carbrook (which might be wrong of course) but if so, does this mean the chapel was somewhere in the Brightside and Carbrook area or was the Chapel part of B & C Funeral Services. I think there is some kind of Chapel at the B & C Office on Suffolk Road in town but I'm not sure if this building existed in 1956.

    Any help would be appreciated.


    l think the Chapel of Rest was at Attercliffe before the new one was built at Suffolk rd sometime around 1969, my father-in-law died sometime in 1970 and was one of the very first to rest there before the funeral, then we went back to Suffolk rd for a meal, incidentily one of the mourners was his nieghbour Frank Fearn who did all the beautiful stone work and slate tiling inside the new building whilst working for Monks, [on Queens rd] l recall him saying he still had not quite finished so l think the date of this building was aroud 1969/70 skeets

  9. Hi Guys,

    Have my 88 year old auntie staying with me and she is very interested in this site. She was born at Crabtree Cottage, Corker Bottom in 1922. She thinks Prince of Wales Road was nearby. Any info on the area would be much appreciated.

    I'm sure you will be able to help :)

    HI SuzyC l have a feeling that your Aunt might be thinking of the cottage that used to be on Crabtree Lane , off what was Batley St [ but its name has been changed] off Barnsley Rd, in that period,, on the other hand there was a Crabtree Cottage l believe off Derbyshire Lane, down by the Prince Of Wales pub ! perhaps that is the name that Aunt remembers. Cheers skeets

  10. HI Dunsbyowl l have been reading this article and found it most interesting.Prior to starting in business on my own l was maintenance joiner at the smelting co 1949/53 and did some work in Mr Wilsons office, and had quite a chat with him, viewing the dates l should say that Anthony Wilson would be the son of the Mr Wilson quoted, but cannot recall his Christian name [or if l new it]. Anyway thanks for bringing back old memories,[ 53 yrs ago where have they all gone?] Cheers skeets

  11. See this link to Radio 4 programme Includes articles on Henry Wilson (of Sheffield Smelting) & the opium trade and one on Randini .


    Making History

    It caused two wars and untold misery to those that became addicted to it but it also helped underpin the finances of Britain's activities in India. That's the surprising view of Dr Jim Mills of the University of Strathclyde who joined Vanessa and Dr David Vessey from the University of Sheffield to talk about the 1895 Royal Commission on the Opium Trade. It was Making History listener Anthony Wilson who encouraged Making History to explore this topic as his grandfather was the radical Liberal politician Henry Wilson who published his own minority report after the Commission failed to stamp out what he, and many others, felt was a morally unacceptable trade. But, was opium as badly misused as those like Wilson thought and what did India think of the trade?

    A listener's family research takes us to Dorset just after the Napoleonic Wars where it appears that a large number of Catholics fled overseas from the area around Lulworth which was, and still is, home to one of our long-established Catholic families - the Welds. But, why did they leave, were they persecuted or was there another reason for this mass flight?

    Could it be true that a Sheffield teenager gave Harry Houdini his most famous trick and why have so few people heard of Randini?

    You can send us questions or an outline of your own research.

    Email: making.history@bbc.co.uk

    Write to Making History. BBC Radio 4. PO Box 3096. Brighton BN1 1PL

    Join the conversation on our Facebook page or find out more from the Radio 4 website at www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/makinghistory

    Presenter: Vanessa Collingridge

    Producer: Nick Patrick

    A Pier Production for BBC Radio 4.

    Britain and the Opium Trade

    Making History listener Anthony Wilson contacted the programme to try and find out more about the circumstances surrounding the 1895 Royal Commission on the Opium Trade which his grandfather, Henry Wilson, contributed to. Henry was a radical Liberal politician from Sheffield and was MP for Holmfirth.

    British involvement with opium is often discussed in relation to the two Anglo Chinese, or opium, wars (1839-42 and 1856-1860). Both wars were basically fought over Britain's (and other foreign powers) demands for access of trade to China.

    Opium and tea were at the root of the problem. Britain wanted tea and Chinese had an appetite for silver so, because Britain was on the gold standard, it had to buy silver from Europe and Mexico to trade with China.

    To counter this drain on resources it encouraged the pedalling of opium from India instead of silver from elsewhere. Indeed Dr Jim Mills at the University of Strathclyde argues that about a one third of British income from India was from the opium trade.

    Opponents of the opium trade were most concerned about its impact in China, but the 1895 Royal Commission on Opium turned out to be one of the great Victorian inquiries into our relationship with India. It came at the end of several decades in which there had been growing disquiet about the opium trade. In 1874 a Quaker Led Society for the Suppression of the Opium Trade had been formed in London and in 1891 they scored a real victory when the House of Commons backed an anti-opium measure.

    The terms of the 1895 Commission were laid out in 1982:

    1. Whether poppy growing and sale of opium should be prohibited, except for medical purposes in British India and the Indian states?

    2. Whether existing agreements with the Indian States could be changed?

    3. What would be the cost to the finances of India of prohibition?

    4. Whether any measure short of total prohibition would be possible?

    5. What was the effect of opium use on "the moral and physical condition of the people"?

    6. And, finally, what was the opinion of the people of India about possible prohibition and would they be willing to accept the costs involved?

    The findings of the Royal Commission on Opium actually reflected the economic importance of opium to India and didn't support opponents who were worried about the health implications of the trade. However, Henry Wilson was so angered by its findings that he wrote a minority report.

    Dr Jim Mills

    Useful Link: Henry Wilson's papers

    Henry Wilson's papers can be seen at the University of Sheffield Library

    Henry Wilson's papers

    Useful Link: Opium and the British Indian Empire

    Lecture by John Richards."Opium and the British Indian Empire: The Royal Commission of 1895." Cambridge, England. May 23, 2001.

    Opium and the British Indian Empire: The Royal Commission of 1895

  12. Hi All, I am a medal collector and have just aquired a group of medals to Acting Sergeant John Hanson of the East Yorkshire Regiment. His service number was 12149

    which suggests he was from Sheffield. I have looked at the census returns for 1891,1901 and 1911 and ther seems to be two John Hanson`s in Sheffield at this time. As John Hanson won the Military Medal for bravery "which was documented in the London Gazette on the 18th July 1917," it may well be that it was reported in the local press at the time. Could anyone possibly point me in the right direction as to how I can find out if this was so. Part of my hobby is to research the soldiers who`s medals I have in my collection, as well as their family background so it is important to have the right person. Best regards. Jim Mitchell.

    HI Jim May l say this sounds like a very worthwhile hobby l hope you make lots of contacts in the future, Skeets.


  13. Sorry to hear about your handsaw Skeets, I didn't nick it by the way, I've never been to France. When I worked at Orgreave they had a set of A to Z punches and we had to punch our initials on all our tools. That was 40 years ago and I still have in my tool box one large initialled chrome vanadium spanner which is a cherished memento of a significant part of my life. Trouble is they aren't my initials on the spanner. So, if your initials are RD and you worked in the electrical dept. at Orgreave Coke Ovens in the 1960's, I might have your spanner. You can collect it anytime.

    The trouble is if someone steals your tools they steal the mark as well, identification marks are only of any use if you work alongside a lot of workmates and tools get miixed up. skeets. ps l'm ok for spanners but thanks for the offer

  14. Back in the fifties, my mum used to make what we called Yorkshire Salad. Basically it was lettuce chopped up very fine, bit of cucumber, little bit of spring onion, some mint and all drenched in vinegar. Served in the gravy boat!! :P Does anyone else remember this????

    HI SuzyC l Still make this salad as my mother made it with more of the mint and onion, but we always called it mint sauce and served with lamb only. Also for the pickled onion and cucumber is always on the menu with me, Cheers Arthur

  15. Regards SANDERSON & NEWBOULDS they made handsaws too, l had one for over 40ys till l came to France, it was stolen with many more treasured tools from a new shed l had erected on the site whilst l was having the bungalow built , l made the mistake of offering coffee to the lads on site who were very interested in my tools as l was cleaning them ready for use , in a few days after they went so went the tools, and about 400 Euros worth of garden tools as well [ I thought what have l done coming here], l had no evidence so l let things lie, since then l have left lots of valuable stuff,lying out and never had anything taken in 6 yrs, so l know they were the guilty party, l got over the new stuff going but l do miss my Sanderson saw and the other tools also. skeets

  16. Sweep.

    Process used in CHIMNEY CLEANING

    End product was SOOT, a dirty, messy black powder consisting mainly of Carbon.

    (Come on skeets, - that seems too simple to me to be the right answer!)

    Sorry Dave you are on the wrong tack. skeets.

  17. Puddlers Candles and Puddling as a process, any ideas please ?


    Any Chemistry teachers can be the judge of the final, definitive answer.

    When l was a young lad our neighbour was a "Puddler" apart from telling me what an awful job it was in winter, he went on to tell me what his work was, and his description was as follows,[ he worked for various steel firms,] rising at 5am he would set off to his current place of work where a load of certain clay was delivered at 6am, He would the place about 4 spades of this clay on to a large smooth area of concrete, he would then take off his boots and roll up his trousers and proceed to PUDDLE he would dance on the clay, sometimes singing a favourite tune, while the clay was pounded to a consistency to form a CRUCIBLE pot which was about 10 inches in diameter and 2 foot high by forming the pot over a dome shaped mould greased to allow easy removal, it was then fired before use, and filled with molten metal poured from the furnace, which was then poured into a mould by two men holding the pot with a clamp, to form either a shape or an ingot, the puddler would make further crucible pots according to requirements [ these old disused.pots were to be seen very often as garden decorations in those days] l used to like sitting on his low wall with him, and his pint pot of tea, telling me all sorts of useful of advice, and ,things l could not ask my dad, His name was Jack Goodwin he was quite a character. Cheers skeets.

  18. Any one recall these games l used to play in the early thirties when l lived on Gloucester St, the Cres;ran off this st and we used to take in turn to kick a can as far as one could, to try to make it land into a patch of grass,at the top of this short Crescent then all the the others went into hiding, if whist trying to find one of the hidden lads or lasses whose tun it it would be next, one could sneak out and kick the can again [which had been found and replaced] then when he returned he had to start all over again . I remember one night l found a good hiding place behind bins in a bin shelter, some one must have put some hot ashes in one of the bins and being nice and cosy l fell asleep, coursing a search party including my Mother when l had not come home , it was nearly midnight before l woke and came out, to find my Mother in a temper, needless to say l got a real thrashing and sent to bed in disgrace without supper. [ lovely happy days before Hitler upset the world] Cheers skeets