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  1. Indeed, I was very impressed with the restoration when I saw it at the SYTT Open Day in July. Any one who was able to attend the, what I presume was a very hastily arranged, Open Day at Olive Grove (Eastbank in old money) Depot in September was no doubt shocked to see 287's sister 293. I had presumed 293 UWA 293L was no more but seemingly not. It is now also part of the SYTT collection - another update to the list. Personally, I only heard about the Open Day two weeks before and too late to juggle other commitments. Those usually in the know seeming to know little or nothing about it at that stage either.
  2. Volume One of the book Ribble by T. B. Maud contains the following ".... in July 1973 it was agreed that Ribble would take over the 'local' express services between Manchester and Bradford (X12) , Barnsley (X19) Sheffield (X48) and Mansfield" Although no specific date is given by implication some time during the month of July is presumed as when Ribble replaced North Western Road Car..
  3. The 1973 X48 timetable has Monday to Saturday departures from Manchester ay 07:45, 16:30 (Friday & Saturday only) and 18:30; returning from Sheffield at 09:45, 18:30 (Friday & Saturday and 20:30 which suggests the service on those days was solely operated by Ribble. On Sundays departures where at 11:45, 18:30 and 20:30 from Manchester and 09:45, 18:30 and 20:30 from Sheffield suggested Sheffield Transport had two round trips and Ribble one. Will need to do more checking but presume this was the arrangement until November 7th 1980 when Ribble withdrew as a result of the closure of their Manchester depot.. From then until the service was finally withdrawn on 'De-regulation eve' (25th October 1986) two round trips were operated by SYPTE.
  4. Some delving suggests the change from North Western Road Car to Ribble took place during 1973. The May 1973 Sheffield Area Bus & Rail Timetable which reflects the change of Manchester terminus to Chorlton Street shows the X48 as a joint service with North Western Road Car. The November 1973 though shows as a joint service with Ribble Motor Services. An on line history of North Western Road Car states that from 4th March 1972 the company was purely a coach operator without any stage services at all but did retain a depot in Manchester. It is presumed that the X48 was considered as a coach service due to its distance and limited stops. More delving needed as to what actually happened in 1973. .
  5. In order to avoid too much thread drift away from the Sheffield to Manchester via Castleton topic thought it worthwhile to start a separate topic.
  6. Nigel's post prompts me to add the list of survivors from Doncaster and Rotherham Corporations and the independents from these areas.
  7. Known survivors from the SYPTE era are listed below,
  8. Further delving suggests involvement of North Western Road Car Company and Sheffield Transport / Joint Omnibus Committee on routes between Sheffield and Manchester is quite complex and an element of blurring of references between the routes may have crept in. Working South to North this is how I know understand the post World War II history. 72 via Mam Tor Summer only extension of Sheffield - Castleton service. All journeys beyond Castleton operated by North Western. Operated from 1950 - 1966. 39 via Snake Pass Summer only service that appears to have been jointly operated between North Western and SJOC. Operated from 1950 - 1966. There after SJIOC operated a Summer Sunday service from Sheffield to Snake Inn. 48 via Woodhead Daily service operated solely by SJOC until 31/12/69. Chas Hall's book says that a result of the 1968 Transport Act was that it became jointly operated between STD and the NBC. The NBC subsidiary involved was presumably North Western. Certainly they were involved from 3/1/71 when the Manchester terminus was changed to Lower Mosely Street. At some point North Western were replaced by Ribble Motor Services. This may have been 4/3/72 when North Western Manchester area local services passed to SELNEC or 4/5/73 when the Manchester terminus was altered to Chorlton Street. From 8/1/80 operation was solely by SYPTE until the service was withdrawn after operation on 25/10/86.. Corrections and clarifications welcomed.
  9. In preparedness' for the South Yorkshire Transport Trust Open Day on Sunday I have been updating my lists of surviving buses with a local connection. Having now found away to convert and save these in a compatible format for this forum I can now make these available. The first can be found below and lists the survivors that were once in the fleets of Sheffield Transport Department / Joint Omnibus Committee,
  10. Peter Hall

    AEC Swift end of service tour

    It is planned that Paul Fox will have the same display he mounted at the Midland Road Open Day in 2014 dusted off and displayed at the South Yorkshire Transport Trust Open Day this coming Sunday (22nd July) http://www.sytt.org.uk/summer-open-day Paul will be very pleased to receive leads regarding the identifications of those still to be identified in the photograph.
  11. Last July the South Yorkshire Transport Trust held its first Open Day at its Eastwood, Rotherham premises. Although very well attended, many who would have liked to have visited were not aware of its happening. Fortunately another Open Day is being held this coming Sunday, 22nd July. See http://www.sytt.org.uk/summer-open-day for further details. An impressive collection of buses that operated in South Yorkshire during the glory days of the SYPTE era (1974-86) are housed at Eastwood as well as from earlier and later eras. In addition other vehicles with local connections are expected to be making an appearance during the day. The South Yorkshire Transport Trust is on a completely different site to the South Yorkshire Transport Museum https://sytm.co.uk/index.html which is close by and has Open Days monthly throughout the year. This also has an impressive collection of buses that operated in the locality.
  12. The answer would appear to be until the Summer of 1968. This information being contained in http://www.lthlibrary.org.uk/library/PDF-014-1.pdf which mentions that the X39 Sheffield - Manchester via Snake Pass summer only service was also withdrawn then. These services were jointly operated by Sheffiield Joint Omnibus Committee and North Western Road Car Company. This left the X48 as the only Sheffield-Manchester service which by then I am presuming was similarly jointly operated. My earliest recollections of the X48 in the mid 1970's were of it being jointly operated by South Yorkshire PTE and Ribble Motor Services. Ribble pulled out after operation on 7th November 1980 leaving SYPTE to soldier on alone until its last day of operation, 25th October 1986. I presume Ribble took over from North Western on 5th March 1972 but initially may have been under National Travel North West guise - more digging needed. .
  13. A friend has unearthed what these days we would call a 'flyer' announcing that this summer only service, suspended during WWII would recommence in May 1950. It being operated by North Western. How long it continued for has yet to be established.
  14. Peter Hall

    What's it doing ere

    Done some more digging and discovered an article that I had written titled 'Froggat's Last Bus Service' in the December 1987 (276) M&&T News! Joint operation of the Sheffield - Buxton service between the Corporation and North Western Road Car Company (NWRC) continued until January 1970. Operation then passing wholly to NWRC as a consequence of the 1968 Transport Act. As with the Castleton service NWRC operations passed to Trent Motor Traction Company (TMTC) with effect from 5th March 1972. By the mid 1970's the route was being jointly operated by TMTC and Potteries Motor Traction (PMT) having been amalgamated with the Buxton - Potteries via Axe Edge service. In January 1985 the service was split into two with PMT operating a Sheffield - Potteries service via Owler Bar, Baslow and Bakewell and TMTC operating a Sheffield - Buxton service via the traditional route. The traditional route and service was expected to cease with de-regulation in October 1986. However TMTC continued to operate one journey each way Monday - Saturday until 31st October 1987. .Thus, if TMTC is considered to be the direct descendent of NWRC operation of the Buxton and Castleton routes continued until October 1987 and December 1988 respectively. .
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    What's it doing ere

    I have done some checking in M&T News and established the last date of Trent Motor Traction Company operation on the Sheffield - Castleton 272 was 31st December 1988. Silver Service Group took over operating the former Trent journeys on 3td January 1989 (no service operated on 1st & 2nd January). The Silver Service Group subsequently divested itself of its Baslow based operation which became then became the present day Hulleys. The last day of North Western Road Car Company operation was 4th March 1972, operation of the services to Buxton and Castleton passing to the Trent Motor Traction Company. Need to do some more digging but believe the last Trent Buxton services were withdrawn in October 1987 but the story from 1972 is not straight forward as PMT became involved at some point and continued until more recently I think.
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