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    Hello I was recently (and not unusually) in a charity shop looking at some teaspoons in an open cutlery sized cardboard box. I was “umming and ahing” about buying these 6 Victorian electroplated spoons that lacked any “meaningful” maker’s marks. That was until I turned the box lid over. I paid the money and the box (and the spoons) were mine. The image of the box lid is below, and that box had nothing to do with the contents. I was going to tack my photo on to somebody else’s thread, but I was astounded to not find that neither “Debesco Works” or the “Lewis Rose” concern that was based there, or “Roses” renowned owner are referenced on the forum. I already knew “stuff” about the “Debesco trademark” and “Lewis Rose Company Ltd” from another forum and the below illustrated spoon (that once might well have been covered by a box lid like that in my photo) is one of my own favoured spoons for making a coffee with. It seems from a Sheffield museums reference that the “Lewis Rose Company Ltd” was set up in 1922 by Isadore Lewis starting in the Mappin Buildings in Norfolk Street. Debesco was their trademark and Debesco Works was the name of a possible expanded workplace on Norfolk St. and Norfolk Lane (a P.S. about this later). There is elsewhere a reference also to a Debesco works on Eyre St. More clarification required please. My interest in Lewis Rose was with spoons and forks but below is some bladed interest. It is speculation on my part to suggest that the “Firth’s Stainless” knives in the photo may be pre WW2 while the knives with what appears to be a “Larko” Lewis Rose trademark could be post WW2. By the way who know what "whitening" is? My wife told me 1 option. The Spear & Jackson Company acquired Lewis Rose in 1969 but since the post WW2 period Lewis Rose had been using the “Ashberry” name in its production, as it had acquired Sheffield’s “Peter Ashberry&Sons” prior to WW2. I have given some ideas about Lewis Rose but any observations that can add to the story or contradict things are definitely required. But now why is there no reference on the forum to “Isadore Lewis, described by Sheffield’s Museums as Sheffield’s first Jewish Lord Mayor. Reference http://collections.museums-sheffield.org.uk/view/people/asitem/[email protected]:415/0?t:state:flow=34948cb9-a938-479b-b915-8bf7884dffb2 That was in 1963 and below is my last photo to show some of what his company was doing in the War years. That’s it fulfilling War Department broad arrow contracts facilitating our Army to march on its stomach. If there are any more “anoraks” like me, the 1942 item was a spoon and the 1944 item was a fork. The L.R.& Co. Ltd. has also been attributed elsewhere to Lewis Rose. Kalfred P.s. A little question here about Norfolk Lane. It does not appear on Google maps, but a Norfolk Row is there. Norfolk Lane addresses are to be found in “Sheffield Indexers” but latest address was 1925. Picturesheffield.com photos “shows rear” Howard Street and Norfolk Lane and Norfolk Lane from Howard St. I hope “Edmund” of cartography fame can help again.
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    Sorry, but this is nowhere near 1977. The Moor was pedestrianised in around '74. The Manpower Services Commission building was already being built across the bottom end of The Moor a year or two before that - maybe those cranes at the bottom of The Moor are for exactly that. But the biggest giveaway, is the bus. It's still in the old Sheffield Transport livery - pale cream and navy blue. They became South Yorkshire Passenger Transport Executive (SYPTE), in maybe '72 or '73. 1974 at the very latest. That's when the livery became the pale cream and dirty brown colours. My best guess for this photo would be 1972. The old Suggs building and covered arcade on Pinstone Street has been demolished in this photo - LHS. Again, my guess would be 1972 for that. But if you want to be sure, that's where to begin. EDIT: I take it all back. MSC Building did not open until! 1981, and The Moor was last used by traffic in 1979. In the mid 70s, as school kids, we used to catch the number 4 bus back home from Paternoster Row, sometimes we walked up to Pinstone Street, or The Moor, where we could also catch any one of the 17, 24, 81, 82, or 83 bus routes. I was quite certain that it was during my school years that buses down The Moor began taking that ridiculous detour around Manpower Services, and then later, the full detour down Charter Row. I later worked in the city centre for several years, and had the same choice of bus routes, so I am conflating the two periods and memories.
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