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  1. Jarvis born 3rd February 1820 and Robert born 9th August 1816 were the sons of Jarvis (also an ironfounder) who died in 1848. So the 1825 and 1837 directory entries, and possibly the 1845 relate to Jarvis senior, the 1849 must relate to Jarvis's junior (ie Brothers) The Harris' Brothers foundry is reported as being on Westgate (reports from 1841 - 1882) - there were three foundries close together (Bath, Westgate and Wheathill) and as the Bath and Wheathill were operated by others (Aizlewood at the Bath, Jackson, Watson, Redmayne at Wheathill) it's possible that the Westgate was the Harris Brothers' operation. It would have been handy for the route via Ickles, Tinsley and into the Sheffield steelworks). The site is the other side of the Don from Rotherham United's ground.
  2. Grace's Guide doesn't give any evidence at all that there was a relationship between the Harris Brothers and the Midland Iron Works. Below are extracts from the Whites directories of 1845 and 1849. The Midland Iron Works is not listed in 1845. In 1849 they are both listed separately, Harris being founders and Midland being manufacturers. These are quite different types of activity and would need a different set of equipment and skills. Note that Sandford was John Beatson's middle name, and Beatson was the grandson of Charles Samuel Roberts Sandford of Northfield House who went into partnership in 1823 with James Yates, of Carr House and Oakwood House, who had taken over what was left of the Walker's foundry and set up the Phoenix Works.
  3. Jarvis Harris was listed as a cast iron and brass founder at Wellgate in Gells directory of 1825, and as a ironfounder at Wellgate in Whites 1837 directory. The Midlands Iron Works was on Union Street, Masbrough - the map below is from 1901 but the works was in the same location , though a third the size, in 1850. John Beatson's (and others) Midland Iron Company went bankrupt (6th January 1962) but continued trading (details here: https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/22589/page/248 The Midland Ironworks was advertised as to be auctioned on 19th September 1862, though it does not seem to have been sold: The boiler explosion happened at 7 in the morning on 3rd December 1862, and the reports state that it was owned by Messrs Beatson and Co. Confusingly, there was a public House called the Butchers Arms adjacent, where the dead and injured were removed to. Aside from the human cost (10 deaths initially, rising to 15), the damage to the machinery and roof was not large (£2000 - 3000), but the loss from the shutdown was of concern, as Beatsons were operating the factory for the benefit of their creditors. At the inquiry George Radford, the boiler tenter, was found guilty of manslaughter and committed for trial at York (he had neglected to have a glass water gauge repaired), and on 22nd December was found not guilty. The Harris Brothers do not seem to have been involved with the Midland Ironworks at least after 1861
  4. Valve?
  5. It definitely the Butchers Arms (see 1890 map, it's on the end of Downs Row, Moorgate, and note the proximity of the Cattle Market, which is opposite where the Shambles used to be). The Harris Brothers' foundry was on Wellgate, not sure exactly where but I don't see any Leisure Centres on Wellgate. Possibly their premises later became the Charcoal and Chemical Works (if so thats where Bernard Street and the Pak supermarket is now - see map below) The Bessemer Steel Works were at the junction with Harleston Street (1890 map below)
  6. My great aunt Nellie's death certificate has arrived - it shows that she died at home in Rotherham, of pulmonary tuberculosis, in October 1945. Her sister (my grandmother) died in childbirth the previous March, so my mother's visit to the Firth Auxiliary hospital at Norton would probably been during 1944 at the latest. I was uncertain about whether visitors to TB patients would have been allowed (especially a pregnant lady with her young daughter), however after reading the extracts from the diary of a TB patient's diary of 1944, I am confident that Nellie was being treated for TB at Norton, The link to the Journal of the Royal Society of Medicine diary article is: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1079536/ TB caused nearly 25% of deaths in the 1800's , but this was reduced by improvements in public health and treatment (such as collapsing the lung to rest it), until the introduction of streptomycin in 1946 changed the situation completely.
  7. I visited Mum today and quizzed her about Auntie Nellie's hospital visit. She went three times, and it was a tram ride to Meadowhead (she nearly got knocked down by a car when she went round the back of the tram). There was then a walk across a park ( I reckon Graves Park). The whole of one wall was open to the elements, despite the snow and both patients and visitors were wrapped up well. It definitely wasn't Dronfield, because another aunt lived on Holmely Lane next door to that hospital. I believe it was the Jessop / Firth Auxiliary Hospital at Norton, next to St James church (see map below), and Mum and her mother would have walked up Charles Ashmore Road and across the park. From the National Archives site: "The Firth Auxiliary Hospital opened as an auxiliary to Jessop Hospital in October 1927 in the converted Norton Hall. The hall, with land, had been donated to the four Sheffield voluntary hospitals by Colonel Bernard Firth in 1925, as a site for a new hospital where the services of the Royal Hospital, Royal Infirmary and the Jessop Hospital would be amalgamated. The later decision to build in the city centre changed this, leaving the Jessop Hospital to take on sole use of the site. It could house 45 antenatal and fever cases. The main hospital was severely damaged in an air raid in 1940 and new buildings were completed in 1943. By 1948 there were 211 beds including 47 at the Firth Auxiliary Hospital, Norton, where there was a special provision for the treatment of puerperal sepsis in an open air ward. Closure of the Firth Auxiliary Hospital, (also known as the Norton Annexe) was discussed in April 1969. It eventually closed in 1972 and was later used as a private clinic." So I think Nellie possibly had puerperal sepsis rather than TB (as a child Mum would not be given the full details, we just assumed it was TB). This has now cost me a tenner as I can't avoid obtaining my great Aunt Nellie's death certificate, which may confirm the theory.
  8. He also won a prize for cast iron park gate design, which probably helped him get the job as draughtsman at Longden's Stove-Grate Manufacturers. In 1891 he was a stove grate draughtsman living at 481 Shoreham Street, with wife Mary Ann and family (including son Frederick who was to become a wardrobe dealer in Heeley). By 1901 he was at 18 Blakegrove Road, still a designer and draughtsman. On the 6th April 1904 at the age of 56, he set sail with his wife from Liverpool to New York on the "Cedric" under Captain Haddock. From there he made his way to Dan Francisco, just in time for the 1906 earthquake.
  9. Mmmm, it could have been Dronfield Infectious diseases hospital, as the tram from Sheffield would only go as far as Meadowhead, the rest would be walking. However my mother (probably 13 at the time) refers to the facility as being poor standard wooden huts. The lady she went to see was Auntie Nellie who lived in Rotherham, so I'd have expected the treatment to be at Oakwood Hall in Rotherham, though possibly wartime had dislocated many facilities. Auntie Nellie returned to her home in Rotherham but died in 1945. Next time I see Mum I'll interrogate her.
  10. Through the 1920's the average rate of TB cases was 75,000 per year. Currently it's about 6000, which are mostly cured now, the reverse in the 20's. The treatment, as Old rider mentioned, was fresh air. My mother recalls visiting a relatively young aunt with TB who was at the TB hospital at Meadowhead, the "treatment" was being in a ward that had no wall to the outside.
  11. Robert Dodge died at his residence Western Bank 22nd January 1865 At the Amsterdam Exhibition in 1869 the firm won a Bronze medal in the Tools and Cutlery category for “a work of surprising splendour” which “presents such a multitude of Sheffield manufactures as takes away the breath of the rough labouring Dutchman, who gazes in silence on those tremendous circular saws, straight saws, curved saws, saws with gilded handles, knives of all conceivable size and shape, scissors big enough to cut a shawl in two, and little enough , with gold handles, to hang upon a watch chain, drills, scoops, punches, razors, useful and de-luxe”. This success seems to have morphed into a “First Prize” in their advertising material. In February 1875 the Eyre street firm, run by Robert Dodge and that of Messrs W.I. Horn Bridge street (Mr Horn died in 1873), were acquired by a Limited Company to be designated Joseph and Robert Dodge (Limited). In 1876 they were at the Continental Works and made a net profit of £1241 1s 6d. There stock in trade (loose tools and trade fixtures) were valued at £11,144 4s 4d. In 1883 they reported a loss of £1088 19s 6d, due to “irregularities committed by a late foreign agent”. Mr Dodge retired from the board and the directors did not fill the vacancy. The company was worth £40,000.
  12. There doesn't seem to be much mention in the papers of memorial tree schemes, but here's an article about the Tay street planting that lysander mentioned:
  13. The field was there in 1637 at the time of Harrison's survey. "Grim" is associated with earthworks, eg Grimesthorpe. Map derived from Harrison:
  14. Hi Edmund, going back to the Wells name in Sheffield, Herbert Edric Wells father and mother John Wells and mother Mary Wells, in the 1881 census John is 47 yrs and Mary is 41 yrs John born in Buckingham (cattle dealer) and Mary born in Sturton, Lincoln.

    Any more help would be greatly appreciated if poss' regards.  

    1. Edmund


      Hello Dave,

      I have attached 5 files for your interest.  Let me know if you have any particular question that you'd like me to try to investigate?  John Wells seems to have been a bit of a character - he had a beer sales licence for his Martin Street premises and seems to have had trouble with the accuracy of his butchers scales, according to the magistrates!



      John  Mary Wells Marriage 1865.jpg

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      John Wells Gainsboro 1899.png

      John Wells London Gazette 1907.png

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  15. See Hilldwellers post here: