Stuart0742 Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 Are these the same place ? http://www.sheffieldhistory.co.uk/forums/i...ost&p=17065 Townhead St 1828 Hannah Marshall 1837 B Hudson 1841 B Hudson 1846 Benjamin Hudson (6 Townhead Street) 1854 Mrs Eliza Hitchen 1856 Elizabeth Hitchen 1861 Elizabeth Hitchen 1862 Eliza Hitchen 1871 Thomas Hitchen 1881 Thomas Hitchen 1905 John Nolan (10 Townhead Street & Campo Lane) 1911 John Nolan (10 Townhead Street & Campo Lane) 1919 Mrs Ada Carter 1925 Mrs Ada Carter 1948 James William Marriott (10 Townhead Street) 1951 Louis Butterworth http://www.sheffieldhistory.co.uk/forums/i...ost&p=17056 Campo Lane 1822 Anthony Pass Stephens 1825 Anthony Pass Stephens 1828 Anthony Pass Stephens 1833 Benjamin Hudson 1849 Eliza Hitchen 1851 Eliza Hitchen 1852 Eliza Hitchen 1854 Mrs Eliza Hitchen (85 Campo Lane) 1856 Richard Gregory (1863) 1871 Thomas Hitchen 1881 Thomas Shaw (69 Campo Lane & 6 Townhead Street) 1901 John Nolan (4 Townhead Street and Campo Lane) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 Are these the same place ? http://www.sheffieldhistory.co.uk/forums/i...ost&p=17065 Townhead St 1828 Hannah Marshall 1837 B Hudson 1841 B Hudson 1846 Benjamin Hudson (6 Townhead Street) 1854 Mrs Eliza Hitchen 1856 Elizabeth Hitchen 1861 Elizabeth Hitchen 1862 Eliza Hitchen 1871 Thomas Hitchen 1881 Thomas Hitchen 1905 John Nolan (10 Townhead Street & Campo Lane) 1911 John Nolan (10 Townhead Street & Campo Lane) 1919 Mrs Ada Carter 1925 Mrs Ada Carter 1948 James William Marriott (10 Townhead Street) 1951 Louis Butterworth http://www.sheffieldhistory.co.uk/forums/i...ost&p=17056 Campo Lane 1822 Anthony Pass Stephens 1825 Anthony Pass Stephens 1828 Anthony Pass Stephens 1833 Benjamin Hudson 1849 Eliza Hitchen 1851 Eliza Hitchen 1852 Eliza Hitchen 1854 Mrs Eliza Hitchen (85 Campo Lane) 1856 Richard Gregory (1863) 1871 Thomas Hitchen 1881 Thomas Shaw (69 Campo Lane & 6 Townhead Street) 1901 John Nolan (4 Townhead Street and Campo Lane) I think not, the lists are the result of my early work on this subject, the confusion is my fault. However, there were multiple places called "The Ball/Golden Ball/Old Ball" etc etc on Campo Lane. Needs a concentrated effort by all interested parties to come out with some agreeable conclusion. Whilst The Hitchen bit might provide a strong clue, I'd like lots more input on this (if anyone is able), further Directories/Census information. Anyone care to come up with the "be all and end end" list of "Ball" - Campo/Townhead, I'd be most interested. Campo Lane seems also to have been the subject of much "Landlord rotation", the same keepers moving round between multiple premises (even every few months). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neddy Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 The Hitchen part is correct, up to at least 1873 electoral roll, Thomas Hitchen leaves the Golden ball some time in between this and 1880 to take The Grey Horse, Blast Lane/Stoke Street Then returns to take The Ball (not the golden ball) 26 Campo Lane sometime between 1891-1901 Guess is that Gregory had the Golden Ball whilst Thomas Hitchen came of age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 The Hitchen part is correct, up to at least 1873 electoral roll, Thomas Hitchen leaves the Golden ball some time in between this and 1880 to take The Grey Horse, Blast Lane/Stoke Street Then returns to take The Ball (not the golden ball) 26 Campo Lane sometime between 1891-1901 Guess is that Gregory had the Golden Ball whilst Thomas Hitchen came of age. Thank you Neddy - Great input. Any and all further input appreciated - it seems a bit of a tangled knot to undo. (I've not considered this particular problem in over a year). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukelele lady Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 It's definately the same place. Through all the books I've gone through never has it been listed separately but it has been listed with two addresses. This is what I've got, I've added the two first dates on of yours as I don't have them. 1822 Anthony Pass Stephens 1825 Anthony Pass Stephens 1828 Antipas Stephens 1833 Benjamin Hudson 1845 Benjamin Hudson 1849 Elizabeth Hitchens [ 6 Townhead Street] 1852 Elizabeth Hitchens [6 Townhead Street] 1856 Elizabeth Hitchens 1859 Elizabeth Hitchens 1862 Elizabeth Hitchens 1863 Richard Gregory [85 Campo Lane] 1864 Thomas Miller 1865 Thomas Miller [85 Campo Lane/6 Townhead Street] 1868 Thomas Miller [84 Campo Lane] 1871 Thomas Hitchen 1876 Thomas Shaw [69 Campo Lane/6 Townhead Street] 1879 Thomas Shaw [[69 Campo Lane] 1883 Thomas Shaw [69 Campo Lane /6 Townhead Street] 1887 Henry Blanchard [Campo Lane] 1888 Henry Blanchard [69 Campo Lane/6 Townhead Street] 1889 Henry Blanchard [Campo Lane] 1893 Thomas Hawksley Permission to update on the A to Z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 It's definately the same place. Through all the books I've gone through never has it been listed separately but it has been listed with two addresses. This is what I've got, I've added the two first dates on of yours as I don't have them. 1822 Anthony Pass Stephens 1825 Anthony Pass Stephens 1828 Antipas Stephens 1833 Benjamin Hudson 1845 Benjamin Hudson 1849 Elizabeth Hitchens [ 6 Townhead Street] 1852 Elizabeth Hitchens [6 Townhead Street] 1856 Elizabeth Hitchens 1859 Elizabeth Hitchens 1862 Elizabeth Hitchens 1863 Richard Gregory [85 Campo Lane] 1864 Thomas Miller 1865 Thomas Miller [85 Campo Lane/6 Townhead Street] 1868 Thomas Miller [84 Campo Lane] 1876 Thomas Shaw [69 Campo Lane/6 Townhead Street] 1879 Thomas Shaw [[69 Campo Lane] 1883 Thomas Shaw [69 Campo Lane /6 Townhead Street] 1887 Henry Blanchard [Campo Lane] 1888 Henry Blanchard [69 Campo Lane/6 Townhead Street] 1889 Henry Blanchard [Campo Lane] 1893 Thomas Hawksley Permission to update on the A to Z What do we do with the "spares" e.g. after 1893 ? and Hannah Marshall and Anti Pass Stephens both in 1828 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukelele lady Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 What do we do with the "spares" e.g. after 1893 ? and Hannah Marshall and Anti Pass Stephens both in 1828 ? There isn't any spares after 1893, it just carries on from my list like this My last entry 1893 Thomas Hawksley Yours 1901 John Nowlan 1905 John Nowlan [Campo Lane /Townhead Stree] 1911 John Nowlan 1919 Mrs Ada Carter 1925 Mrs Ada Carter 1948 James William Marriott 1951 Louis Butterill Sit and check it out , it all falls into place except for the Thomas Hitchens who is not mentioned in any of the dates that I have from 1825 to 1893. As he is down for 1871 and also 1881, couldn't we get a check out on the 1871/1881 census? As for having two names, I always think of the time of year as one moved out Anti Pass Stephens in 1828 the other Hannah Marshall moved in. 1828 Anti Pass Stephens / Hannah Marshall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukelele lady Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 I went back to the drawing board [library ] on this one and included the Golden Ball Townhead Street / Campo Lane as before I was looking at there being two Balls as being the same. These are the names of the pubs which the landlords are printed against. The Ball Inn 1841 Elizabeth Cookson 13 Campo Lane [Whites] 1845 Henry Platts 13 Campo Lane [Whites] 1849 Henry Platts 13 Campo Lane [Whites] 1852 George Smith 13 Campo Lane [Whites] 1856 George Smith 13 Campo Lane [Directory of Sheffield] 1859 George Smith 13 Campo Lane [Melville] 1862 George Smith 13 Campo Lane [Whites] 1863 George Smith 13 Campo Lane [Directory of Sheffield] 1864 George Smith 13 Campo Lane [Whites] 1865 George Smith 13 Campo Lane [Kellys] 1868 George Smith 13 Campo Lane [Whites] 1876 Emma Smith 26 Campo Lane [Whites] 1879 Joseph White 26 Campo Lane [Whites] 1883 Joseph White 26 Campo Lane [Directory of Sheffield] 1887 Matthew Wilde 26 Campo Lane [slaters] 1888 Walter Wilde 26 Campo Lane [[Kellys] 1889 Walter Wilde 26 Campo Lane [Directory of Sheffield] 1893 Joseph Stead 26 Campo Lane [Directory of Sheffield] Golden Ball 1833 Benjamin Hudson Townhead Street [Directory of Sheffield] 1834 Benjamin Hudson 6 Townhead Street [Pigots] 1841 B. Hudson 6 Townhead Street [Whites] 1845 Benjamin Hudson 6 Townhead Street [Whites] 1849 Elizabeth Hitchen 6 Townhead Street [Whites] 1852 Elizabeth Hitchen 6 Townhead Street [Whites] 1856Elizabeth Hitchen 6 Townhead Street [[Directory of Sheffield] 1859 Elizabeth Hitchen 6 Townhead Street [Melville] 1862 Elizabeth Hitchen 6 Townhead Street [Whites] 1863 Richard Gregory Townhead Street/ Campo Lane[Directory of Sheffield] 1864 Thomas Miller Campo Lane /Townhead Street [Whites] 1865 Thomas Miller 85 Campo Lane /6 Townhead Street [Kellys] 1887 Henry Blanchard Campo Lane/ 6 Townhead Street [slaters] 1888 Henry Blanchard 69 Campo Lane & 6 Townhead Street[Kellys] 1889 Henry Blanchard 69 Campo Lane & 6 Townhead Street [D of Sheffield] 1893 Thomas Hawksley 69 Campo Lane & 6 Townhead Street I've got a 1876 Thomas Shaw 1879 Thomas Shaw 1881 Thomas Shaw [ census says Ball 69 Campo Lane] 1883 Thomas Shaw All these come under Golden Ball but the census 1881 just says Ball. What do you think? Is it looking any better? By the way Richard did you know you have two Golden Balls? Pardon the expression. Do you think they are both the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neddy Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 1871 4676-72B 6 Townhead Street -Thomas Hitchen 26 publican 1872/3 Electoral Roll- Thomas Hitchen 69 Campo Lane 1862 dir. Eliza Hitchen 6 Townhead Street & 85 Campo Lane Presume 85 turned to 69 due to alterations to Campo lane. I went back to the drawing board [library ] on this one and included the Golden Ball Townhead Street / Campo Lane as before I was looking at there being two Balls as being the same. These are the names of the pubs which the landlords are printed against. The Ball Inn 1841 Elizabeth Cookson 13 Campo Lane [Whites] 1845 Henry Platts 13 Campo Lane [Whites] 1849 Henry Platts 13 Campo Lane [Whites] 1852 George Smith 13 Campo Lane [Whites] 1856 George Smith 13 Campo Lane [Directory of Sheffield] 1859 George Smith 13 Campo Lane [Melville] 1862 George Smith 13 Campo Lane [Whites] 1863 George Smith 13 Campo Lane [Directory of Sheffield] 1864 George Smith 13 Campo Lane [Whites] 1865 George Smith 13 Campo Lane [Kellys] 1868 George Smith 13 Campo Lane [Whites] 1876 Emma Smith 26 Campo Lane [Whites] 1879 Joseph White 26 Campo Lane [Whites] 1883 Joseph White 26 Campo Lane [Directory of Sheffield] 1887 Matthew Wilde 26 Campo Lane [slaters] 1888 Walter Wilde 26 Campo Lane [[Kellys] 1889 Walter Wilde 26 Campo Lane [Directory of Sheffield] 1893 Joseph Stead 26 Campo Lane [Directory of Sheffield] Golden Ball 1833 Benjamin Hudson Townhead Street [Directory of Sheffield] 1834 Benjamin Hudson 6 Townhead Street [Pigots] 1841 B. Hudson 6 Townhead Street [Whites] 1845 Benjamin Hudson 6 Townhead Street [Whites] 1849 Elizabeth Hitchen 6 Townhead Street [Whites] 1852 Elizabeth Hitchen 6 Townhead Street [Whites] 1856Elizabeth Hitchen 6 Townhead Street [[Directory of Sheffield] 1859 Elizabeth Hitchen 6 Townhead Street [Melville] 1862 Elizabeth Hitchen 6 Townhead Street [Whites] 1863 Richard Gregory Townhead Street/ Campo Lane[Directory of Sheffield] 1864 Thomas Miller Campo Lane /Townhead Street [Whites] 1865 Thomas Miller 85 Campo Lane /6 Townhead Street [Kellys] 1887 Henry Blanchard Campo Lane/ 6 Townhead Street [slaters] 1888 Henry Blanchard 69 Campo Lane & 6 Townhead Street[Kellys] 1889 Henry Blanchard 69 Campo Lane & 6 Townhead Street [D of Sheffield] 1893 Thomas Hawksley 69 Campo Lane & 6 Townhead Street I've got a 1876 Thomas Shaw 1879 Thomas Shaw 1881 Thomas Shaw [ census says Ball 69 Campo Lane] 1883 Thomas Shaw All these come under Golden Ball but the census 1881 just says Ball. What do you think? Is it looking any better? By the way Richard did you know you have two Golden Balls? Pardon the expression. Do you think they are both the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukelele lady Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 1871 4676-72B 6 Townhead Street -Thomas Hitchen 26 publican 1872/3 Electoral Roll- Thomas Hitchen 69 Campo Lane 1862 dir. Eliza Hitchen 6 Townhead Street & 85 Campo Lane Presume 85 turned to 69 due to alterations to Campo lane. Thanks neddy, I trust Thomas is Eliza's son. So it all seems to be the same place [Golden Ball ] 85, 69 Campo Lane and 6 Townhead Street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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