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Best Answer wayneybabes, 11 April 2013 - 11:13 AM

Agree, however, my memory must be rubbish because I cant remember the fair being there - does anyone remember going?

 

my Dad (Your Brother!) remembers it!. He says there was the best Prize Bingo he has ever known, not like the crap you win nowadays!

 

the date of 1974 means i was in babe in mums arms. Wonder if she was playing Prize Bingo and shouted 'ERE and dropped me on mi head? :)

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#81 SteveHB

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 01:18 PM

I remember fishing Arbourthorne pond around 1976, at the time it was open for public angling,
also I remember seeing the other pond that was further down the watercourse towards Norfolk Park, we knew it a Cherry pond.
Though I never fished Cherry pond/Cherry tree pond, or perhaps I did fish it with a net
on a cane, in later years when speaking to some elderly angling friends they assured me that
Cherry pond did contain fish, some of a decent size.

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 08:10 PM

It was Arbourthorne pond in the seventies. We were only after little fish such as Sticklebacks hardly needing a licence! The bloke was just natsy!!
Yes Richmond Pond is still there where you said it was. It was orginally connected to Woodthorpe Hall which was demolished in 1934 and was much bigger when that was on the go. The Hall was very close to the site of Woodthorpe School.
The pond keeps getting cleaned out from time to time and is home to mostly Sticklebacks, Frogs and Newts. But I haven't been near it for years. The biggest fish in it will be I suspect Goldfish dumped in by people who don't want to keep them anymore. I think it would have been well-stocked in the days of the Hall, but by the 50's and 60's polution and the like would have put an end to any fish that fishermen would catch. It was always getting clogged up by Water Lilys and the like when I was young.


Arbouthorne Pond is the Eastern Avenue pond and by the 1970's was the only one left on the course of the Jervis stream.
It is still used today by fishermen.

Interesting comments about Richmond pond though History Dude,
When I drive past it down Richmond Road on my way to Handsworth it looks quite small and frequently overgrown and neglected.
I never did see it years ago when it must have been in much better condition.

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 08:12 PM

I remember fishing Arbourthorne pond around 1976, at the time it was open for public angling,
also I remember seeing the other pond that was further down the watercourse towards Norfolk Park, we knew it a Cherry pond.
Though I never fished Cherry pond/Cherry tree pond, or perhaps I did fish it with a net
on a cane, in later years when speaking to some elderly angling friends they assured me that
Cherry pond did contain fish some decent sized fish.


You must have been to Cherry pond well before 1976 though Steve.

It was filled in 10 years previously for the building of the Norfolk Park Estate.

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 12:49 AM

I found this in my collection of Arbourthorne Pond taken around 1980.

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 12:57 AM

And Richmond Pond taken in the Summer of 1984.

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 12:38 PM

I found this in my collection of Arbourthorne Pond taken around 1980.


Nice picture of Arbourthorne / Eastern Avenue pond History Dude.

It looks pretty similar today except that, -

1 )
They have built some proper little pondside staging to facilitate fishing.

2 )
Those 1967 Finnegan houses in the background on the Erringtons are now largely gone, - they are in the process of removing all the prefabricated housing of this type over the next 3 years.

When those on the Algars go it will enlarge the area of Arbourthorne Playing fields unless they intend building on it yet again.

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 12:43 PM

And Richmond Pond taken in the Summer of 1984.


Perhaps when I took this picture of the Richmond (oh dear, boozers again!) I should have turned and faced the other way. :(

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 03:17 PM

Perhaps when I took this picture of the Richmond (oh dear, boozers again!) I should have turned and faced the other way. :(

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I don't know if it still has it but the sign used to have the Coat of Arms for the Parkers of Woodthorpe Hall. They had to sell all up when the Parker Shore Bank went under. All that area would have belong to the Hall.

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 03:38 PM

I don't know if it still has it but the sign used to have the Coat of Arms for the Parkers of Woodthorpe Hall. They had to sell all up when the Parker Shore Bank went under. All that area would have belong to the Hall.


I didn't notice a Coat of Arms History Dude,

The Richmond used to be a Wards boozer, but since Wards has long gone I don't even know whose beer they sell now.

Even the pub sign has been "modernised" with a new design and removal of the old brewery name

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I seem to think that the original Richmond standard pub sign did have a Coat of Arms on it.

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Posted 26 February 2011 - 01:55 AM

Oh well at least it's still open! :)

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Posted 26 February 2011 - 11:34 AM

Oh well at least it's still open! :)


Yes it is still open and still serving beer of some description (but not Wards)

My picture was taken last July during the 2010 Football World Cup, - the one from South Africa where every match commentary was ruined by the incessant drone of those vuvazuaelas, hence all the sports advertising outside.

However, is the Richmonds future secure?

Worryingly there is a TO LET sign on the right hand side of the building, partially obscured by the telegraph pole.

That is never a good sign.

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Posted 06 March 2011 - 04:55 PM

Looks like The Vulcan has found a buyer after all.

I noticed that it is now JADE ORIENT.

Looks a bit like a Chinese takeaway place, - but with a building of that size it could be a proper Chinese Restraunt.



They have even replaced that missing boozer sign with their own sign ;-)



I am still not sure if Jade Orient is a Chinese Takeaway or a Chinese Restraunt.

It's price list is cheap enough for it to be a takeaway, or possibly a restraunt as the meal is broken down into individually priced dishes, the cost of which would accumulate if you had say 3 or 4 courses.

Their opening times are a bit wierd as well, all late evenings (on the Arbourthorne!! :blink: ) except Tuesdays.

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Posted 06 March 2011 - 04:57 PM

I found this in my collection of Arbourthorne Pond taken around 1980.


Arbourthorne Pond as it is today

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Posted 06 March 2011 - 05:08 PM

Nice picture of Arbourthorne / Eastern Avenue pond History Dude.

It looks pretty similar today except that, -

1 )
They have built some proper little pondside staging to facilitate fishing.

2 )
Those 1967 Finnegan houses in the background on the Erringtons are now largely gone, - they are in the process of removing all the prefabricated housing of this type over the next 3 years.

When those on the Algars go it will enlarge the area of Arbourthorne Playing fields unless they intend building on it yet again.


The pondside staging to facilitate fishing.

I think I called them "levees", borrowing the word from the deep south Mississippi steamer days, although they are not on the same scale, or really for the same purpose.

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Now, notice those Finnegan houses in the background of both History Dudes picture and mine.

Notice how in my picture some of them are boarded up and have scaffolding around them.

They are in the process of being demolished over the next 3 years

Here is a close up of one of the ones from the earlier pond picture

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The demolition started in November 2009, in fact the new Northern Avenue Health Centre is being built on cleared ground.

I already have hundreds of photos of demolished Finnegan houses and I intend doing a topic on this work in due course when the work is completed.

Having survived the 1962 gale in a prefab in this locality I have a certain affinity wirh demolition of prefabricated housing.

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Posted 06 March 2011 - 05:11 PM

I remember fishing Arbourthorne pond around 1976, at the time it was open for public angling,also I remember seeing the other pond that was further down the watercourse towards Norfolk Park, we knew it a Cherry pond.
Though I never fished Cherry pond/Cherry tree pond, or perhaps I did fish it with a net
on a cane, in later years when speaking to some elderly angling friends they assured me that
Cherry pond did contain fish some decent sized fish.


According to this sign Arbourthorne pond, now newly renovated for the umpteenth time, contains carp.

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..and according to this sign you do need a licence to fish the pond, or you could be facing a heft fine.

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Posted 06 March 2011 - 05:16 PM

When I was younger I used to keep fish in tanks and I would sometimes go to the pond to catch fish for the tanks. However there was always this nasty bloke who didn't like kids catching even Sticklebacks and would chase you off or threaten to fetch the police. So we didn't go to it often. The pond also had a plague of Arglus or fish loush. Which would get on the side of the fish and suck the blood. The only way to get them off was to take the fish out of the water. The louse would then drop off! So we went more often to Richmond Pond which had no nasty man or fish louse!


Looks like they have even got rid of the nasty man now History Dude and replaced him with some (unseen) modern high technology surveilance equipment instead.

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Posted 10 April 2011 - 09:12 PM

Looks like The Vulcan has found a buyer after all.

I noticed that it is now JADE ORIENT.

Looks a bit like a Chinese takeaway place, - but with a building of that size it could be a proper Chinese Restraunt.



They have even replaced that missing boozer sign with their own sign ;-)



Vulcan is JADE ORIENT Chinese food.

The Cutlers (formerly the Cutlers Arms) at Herdings is soon to become a Bangladeshi restraunt.

Seems that old pubs make

Good churches (see Norfolk Park Estate)

Good Supermarkets (also NPE)

and now good Asian food outlets.

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Posted 22 April 2011 - 03:03 PM

Looks like The Vulcan has found a buyer after all.

I noticed that it is now JADE ORIENT.

Looks a bit like a Chinese takeaway place, - but with a building of that size it could be a proper Chinese Restraunt.



They have even replaced that missing boozer sign with their own sign ;-)



It seems that The Vulcan, now Jade Orient, is open for business and is both a restraunt and a takeaway.

Full details on their website here

JADE ORIENT

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Posted 22 April 2011 - 03:06 PM

It seems that The Vulcan, now Jade Orient, is open for business and is both a restraunt and a takeaway.

Full details on their website here

JADE ORIENT


I noticed that the Home Page of that Jade Orient site has some interior shots of the restraunt.

That's the interior of the old Vulcan to you and me.

I suppose those pictures will please Suzy so that I won't have to go around there with a camera pretending to buy the place! lol

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Posted 16 August 2011 - 02:17 PM

Another photo I found in my collection of the pond in 1980.

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 09:26 PM

Another photo I found in my collection of the pond in 1980.

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Thanks for posting that History Dude.

Nice to see the 2 Guildford tower blocks in the background, - makes me feel at home.

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Posted 22 August 2011 - 07:33 PM

I love the photo of the Abourthorne pond it looks good and although I lived on the Norfolk Park estate for five years I can't remember ever having seen it.. Richmond pond was never that good, I can remember in the 50s it was fenced off completely and I can never remember seeing any fish in it.. Lots of frogs though and in mating season they used to jump across the road to the Richmond. Later on they opened up the fencing so that you could walk through then it got lots of rubbish dumped in it so sad really. I only wish that I had taken more photo's though when I was younger I must see if my brother has any he was a photographer.

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Posted 23 August 2011 - 06:29 PM

I love the photo of the Abourthorne pond it looks good and although I lived on the Norfolk Park estate for five years I can't remember ever having seen it..


The Arbourthorne pond is right at the top of Arbourthorne fields and in a hollow on the south side of Eastern Avenue and would not be visible from the Norfolk Park Estate unless you were very high up. Perhaps the 15th floor of the Guildford blocks at the bottom of Northern Avenue / Spring Lane junction would have been hoigh enough some years ago when the tower blocks were there, but otherwise it would be hidden by the terrain and lay of the land.

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Posted 23 August 2011 - 06:34 PM

Richmond pond was never that good, I can remember in the 50s it was fenced off completely and I can never remember seeing any fish in it.. Lots of frogs though and in mating season they used to jump across the road to the Richmond. Later on they opened up the fencing so that you could walk through then it got lots of rubbish dumped in it so sad really. I only wish that I had taken more photo's though when I was younger I must see if my brother has any he was a photographer.


We drove past Richmond Pond today on our way to the "HAVE YOU" Supermarket at Handsworth

TRANSLATION NOTE ;-
SHEFFIELD DIALECT = ASDA
POSH ENGLISH = HAVE YOU

I had my mobile phone with me to get a picture, but seeing that the grounds around the pond was inhabited by youths in hoodies up to no good I thought better of it!

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Posted 23 August 2011 - 07:24 PM


We drove past Richmond Pond today on our way to the "HAVE YOU" Supermarket at Handsworth

TRANSLATION NOTE ;-
SHEFFIELD DIALECT = ASDA
POSH ENGLISH = HAVE YOU

I had my mobile phone with me to get a picture, but seeing that the grounds around the pond was inhabited by youths in hoodies up to no good I thought better of it!



Sign of the times it was closed off when we were kids and all we would have done was fish for tadpoles with a jam jar. I used to go to Birley pond to do that wonder I didn't drown I was such a titch. Like your ASDA quote but when I clicked on like it said I had marked my quota of likes for today ????? not done any :wacko:

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Posted 23 August 2011 - 07:38 PM



Sign of the times it was closed off when we were kids and all we would have done was fish for tadpoles with a jam jar. I used to go to Birley pond to do that wonder I didn't drown I was such a titch. Like your ASDA quote but when I clicked on like it said I had marked my quota of likes for today ????? not done any :wacko:


By "Birley Pond" do you mean the one that I call "Frechville Pond" which is behind Frechville Community Centre?

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 11:23 AM

Regarding Arbourthorne Pond, some of you may be interested to know that it was owned by Sheffield Parks Department in 1963 and used for Fishing / Recreation of Parks department staff at that time.
I believe that members of the public could buy a licence to fish it.
I was a Park Keeper at that time and we were all issued with a key to the pavilion which contained facilities for Parks Department employees to mash tea & make simple meals etc.
There was also a piano in there and I remember playing on it and generally acting the fool when I went there with some of my workmates.
Not a bad little perk at that time although I wasn't an angler or I would have spent a lot of time there.

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 03:50 PM

Regarding Arbourthorne Pond, some of you may be interested to know that it was owned by Sheffield Parks Department in 1963 and used for Fishing / Recreation of Parks department staff at that time.
I believe that members of the public could buy a licence to fish it.
I was a Park Keeper at that time and we were all issued with a key to the pavilion which contained facilities for Parks Department employees to mash tea & make simple meals etc.
There was also a piano in there and I remember playing on it and generally acting the fool when I went there with some of my workmates.
Not a bad little perk at that time although I wasn't an angler or I would have spent a lot of time there.


Having worked for the Parks department in the late 70's early 80's it wasn't as 'fun' as that sounds. :mellow:
Staff were busy trying to just the right amount of work to ensure a bonus of around £15 to £20 on top of the normal wage. You had to measure the work done and write it up on a sheet of paper with codes for the work. If you did more than that figure an inspector was sent out to confirm it, which was a hassle and in the work time, so you lost an hour or two going over what you had done with him.
It was harsh for new workers too as they were given 6 months trials, which just happen to coincide with the grass growing season. ;-) Lots of workers set on in March/April and ended in September. However some of the managers were more ruthless than that. And it was a done thing for a person that survived a six month trial and for some reason didn't get on with the local manager, to be transfered to the furthest part of the city in order to get them to leave. This was often succesful as most Recreation workers went to work on the bus or walked. You can imagine someone who lived or worked in the Arbourthorne, not being too happy at going to work in Rivelin :(

I hope they are better these days for staff and I know the six-months trials are gone :mellow:

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 03:54 PM


By "Birley Pond" do you mean the one that I call "Frechville Pond" which is behind Frechville Community Centre?


I sometimes called it Birley Pond too. Wasn't it one of the ponds that dried up in the summer of 1976?

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 06:23 PM


Having worked for the Parks department in the late 70's early 80's it wasn't as 'fun' as that sounds. :mellow:
Staff were busy trying to just the right amount of work to ensure a bonus of around £15 to £20 on top of the normal wage. You had to measure the work done and write it up on a sheet of paper with codes for the work. If you did more than that figure an inspector was sent out to confirm it, which was a hassle and in the work time, so you lost an hour or two going over what you had done with him.
It was harsh for new workers too as they were given 6 months trials, which just happen to coincide with the grass growing season. ;-) Lots of workers set on in March/April and ended in September. However some of the managers were more ruthless than that. And it was a done thing for a person that survived a six month trial and for some reason didn't get on with the local manager, to be transfered to the furthest part of the city in order to get them to leave. This was often succesful as most Recreation workers went to work on the bus or walked. You can imagine someone who lived or worked in the Arbourthorne, not being too happy at going to work in Rivelin :(

I hope they are better these days for staff and I know the six-months trials are gone :mellow:


Shame about the changes on the Parks Dept - It was a much better dept to work for in the sixties.
The only drawback was that, apart from a skeleton staff, most left their park and went onto the gangs for the winter - that being the reason why I eventually decided to leave.
After many years of improvements to the working man's terms & conditions, it seems the clock has now wound back again.

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 07:35 PM

Regarding Arbourthorne Pond, some of you may be interested to know that it was owned by Sheffield Parks Department in 1963 and used for Fishing / Recreation of Parks department staff at that time.
I believe that members of the public could buy a licence to fish it.
I was a Park Keeper at that time and we were all issued with a key to the pavilion which contained facilities for Parks Department employees to mash tea & make simple meals etc.
There was also a piano in there and I remember playing on it and generally acting the fool when I went there with some of my workmates.
Not a bad little perk at that time although I wasn't an angler or I would have spent a lot of time there.


Welcome to Sheffield History organgrinder and thank you for your input into this topic.

It's not often we come across people who have actually worked in the locations we are discussing and may have "inside knowledge" about them.

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 08:25 PM


By "Birley Pond" do you mean the one that I call "Frechville Pond" which is behind Frechville Community Centre?

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No it was near birley spa somewhere near Hackenthorpe ? I am going to have to find a map now unless anybody from that area remembers it I am after all going back 60 years. I do remember the one at Frechville though and men fishing there.

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 08:34 PM



No it was near birley spa somewhere near Hackenthorpe ? I am going to have to find a map now unless anybody from that area remembers it I am after all going back 60 years. I do remember the one at Frechville though and men fishing there.


Birley Spa is down near Hackenthorpe.

Perhaps Stuart0742 and Vox will know more about that one than me.

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Posted 11 December 2011 - 04:25 PM

The football field nearest Northern Avenue.

This pitch was sometimes used by our school, Norfolk which is only 2 streets away. I don't know why we did this as we had a good field on site.

The Northern Avenue pitch once had its own pavillion and changing rooms with a small car park. Sadly these too have gone due to crime.

The "top pitch" on Eastern Avenue is used by a Sunday League team called "Arbourthorne EA" (I assume the EA stands for Eastern Avenue). Once went to watch them with my dad one Sunday morning in the late 1960's only to see them lose 32 -5 Posted Image

The lowest pitch was also used by a Sunday morning pub team from the Fellbrigg, just off the north west corner of the field. I still have a silent 8mm film of them playing a match one Sunday morning in 1984,- great views of Norfolk Park estate tower blocks in the background. Anyone know how to convert and upload an 8mm film all within our 2Mb limit?





Ironically all of these pictures were taken on a Sunday morning.

OK so its out of season for football, but even so, not a soul in sight.

Perhaps everyone had gone to one of the many "boozers turn church" just down the hill on the Norfolk Park Estate.


Taken today,

A football match in progress on Arbourthorne Field.

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I don't know which teams were playing and there seems to be only a few spectators, but at least the field is still being used for its intended purpose.

i didn't stay around to watch the match. ask questions or take more pictures as it had been a very cold frosty night, and the wind blows very cold across the upper Arbourthorne field, even more so now that the prefabs and maisonettes higher up have gone.

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Posted 11 December 2011 - 04:53 PM

I don't know which teams were playing and there seems to be only a few spectators, but at least the field is still being used for its intended purpose.

i didn't stay around to watch the match, ask questions or take more pictures as it had been a very cold frosty night, and the wind blows very cold across the upper Arbourthorne field, even more so now that the prefabs and maisonettes higher up have gone.


A bit of research on the Internet shows that both Arbourthorne EA and Arbourthorne Hotel are in the Meadiowhall and Sheffield District Sunday Football League.

The home ground of Arbourthorne EA is, suprisingly, the University sports ground!! (Seems a long way from the Arbourthorne, and doesn't EA stand for Eastern Avenue, which is where Arbourthorne Playing Fields is?)

However, the home ground of Arbourthorne Hotel IS Arbourthorne Playing Fields.

I can't find an up to date fixtures list though, the most recent offering on the Internet seems to be a couple of seasons out of date.

It's a challenge now to find out who were playing on the field today.

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Posted 04 January 2012 - 03:13 PM

I noticed that the Home Page of that Jade Orient site has some interior shots of the restraunt.

That's the interior of the old Vulcan to you and me.

I suppose those pictures will please Suzy so that I won't have to go around there with a camera pretending to buy the place! Posted Image


Dont you believe it! OK - so you dont have to pretend to go and buy the place anymore but have you been in and tried the food yet and taken some internal shots of the establishment? B)

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Posted 04 January 2012 - 08:42 PM


Dont you believe it! OK - so you dont have to pretend to go and buy the place anymore but have you been in and tried the food yet and taken some internal shots of the establishment? B)


Not been in and tried the food yet.
It may be a while as most closed pubs around here seem to turning into restraunts these days.

As for pictures of the internal decor, I'll stick with the professionally done pictures on their website for now.

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 08:00 PM


Not been in and tried the food yet.
It may be a while as most closed pubs around here seem to turning into restraunts these days.

As for pictures of the internal decor, I'll stick with the professionally done pictures on their website for now.

And are all the restaurants thriving then?
I couldnt see any internal shots when I went on a few days ago, but will have another look (probably having a blonde moment). :wacko:

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 08:47 PM

And are all the restaurants thriving then?
I couldnt see any internal shots when I went on a few days ago, but will have another look (probably having a blonde moment). :wacko:


You are right suzy.

Since I posted that link to the JADE ORIENT restauraunt (aka "The Vulcan") last April they have redesigned their site and the interior photos seem to have been removed.

The link does still work though

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 09:04 PM


You are right suzy.

Since I posted that link to the JADE ORIENT restauraunt (aka "The Vulcan") last April they have redesigned their site and the interior photos seem to have been removed.

The link does still work though

Thank goodness for that - thought it was me going crazy :wacko: Seems strange that they would want to remove the internal shots though. If anyone out there visits, can they please get some internal photos - I am intrigued as to what it looks like now on the inside.