duckweed Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 I am trying to fill in Gaps but having some problems for both fairly recent and further back. Ancient Gap is who was tennants from 1759-1804 I have Lowe and Wild faming there in 1804. Joseph White was definitely living in Bishops House in 1822. When his son James moved out, there was about 4 years when the House was being rennovated and then the Cheethams and the Ryalls were in the House. The Ryalls stayed there till 1929 but the Cheethams left to go to Hillsborough Park. I don't know who replaced the Cheethams or who replaced the Ryalls. I have heard of one family who were there till just before the war but then moved out, The next inhabitants I know of were the Allens who moved in one half in 1944 till the 50s when the people in the House were Whatthams on one side till the 1970s. Anyone know about who was in the House during WW2? Or any family rumours re post 1759? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 No idea where to start looking ! Wiki Bishops House Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Barbara M Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 I reckon it has to be somebody with a personal / family knowledge of the house & inhabitants for the recent enquiry but the earlier one is not quite as simple , we must have someone amongst our members who know where to look. I will put my thinking cap on !!! Barbara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duckweed Posted March 10, 2012 Author Share Posted March 10, 2012 Someone told me today that they had seen the names of the park keepers who lived there during the war in a book. They couldn't remember which book. It may be that Heeley History group or Norton History Group have written something but I don't remember reading anything in their books. Someone else said they thought there were Waafs billeted there but they may be confused with the fact that the RAF was using rooms at Meersbrook House. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Barbara M Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Samuel Blyth was the last of the family to live in the house, dying in 1753, after which his sons sold the house to a William Shore. The Blyth family subsequently moved to Birmingham.[3]. Notable descendents were Benjamin Blyth, Sir Arthur Blyth and Benjamin Blyth II.[3] The house was subsequently let to a tenant farmer and his labourer, at which point the house was sub-divided into two dwellings. Found this on Wikipedia , we need to find the tenant farmer, which will be easier said then done !!! Anybody any ideas ?? Barbara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Barbara M Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 I hope I have done the right thing but I have left a message about what we are trying to find out on the "Facebook" page of Bishops House , you never know your luck . Barbara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardB Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Formerly known as Coltyard ... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Barbara M Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Formerly known as Coltyard ... ? Yes, I read the social history on the friends of Bishops House website & it's very interesting & I have been trying to find a website for the Norton History Group which, I am afraid doesn't seem to exist according to a website called " Tilthammer " . Back to the drawing board !! Barbara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duckweed Posted March 12, 2012 Author Share Posted March 12, 2012 Thanks for trying but I am the Historian for Bishops House. Samuel Blythe died in 1735 of Appoplexy. His 2 surviving sons Samuel and Benjamin sold a number of properties around 1759. Mary Blythe went to Derby to live with Benjamin who was a solicitor and the Town Clerk. Samuel Junior went to Birmingham and helped found the Unitarian church there. Bishops House was probably bought along with the Meersbrook Estate and some other Blythe properties by Benjamin Roebuck in 1757/59. In 1790 Roebucks bank crashed and his lands were sold to Samuel Shore, who had remarried and was looking to move there and leave Norton Estate to his son to run. Benjamin Roebuck died in Bath, Somerset in 1793. I have a enclosure map of 1804 which lists who was farming the land but I have no lists of tennants for Benjamin Roebuck or for who was there before 1804. The Whites rented Bishops House, the cottages next to them and Rushdale cottages down at the bottom of the hill (formerly the site of Blythe Mill.) The Whites stayed there till the House was sold along with some of the Meersbrook Estate to make a new public Park. The House was empty for a short time while it was rennovated and then 2 families of park keepers moved in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Barbara M Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Thanks for trying but I am the Historian for Bishops House. Samuel Blythe died in 1735 of Appoplexy. His 2 surviving sons Samuel and Benjamin sold a number of properties around 1759. Mary Blythe went to Derby to live with Benjamin who was a solicitor and the Town Clerk. Samuel Junior went to Birmingham and helped found the Unitarian church there. Bishops House was probably bought along with the Meersbrook Estate and some other Blythe properties by Benjamin Roebuck in 1757/59. In 1790 Roebucks bank crashed and his lands were sold to Samuel Shore, who had remarried and was looking to move there and leave Norton Estate to his son to run. Benjamin Roebuck died in Bath, Somerset in 1793. I have a enclosure map of 1804 which lists who was farming the land but I have no lists of tennants for Benjamin Roebuck or for who was there before 1804. The Whites rented Bishops House, the cottages next to them and Rushdale cottages down at the bottom of the hill (formerly the site of Blythe Mill.) The Whites stayed there till the House was sold along with some of the Meersbrook Estate to make a new public Park. The House was empty for a short time while it was rennovated and then 2 families of park keepers moved in. Well, I have put my size 3 in it , havn't I !!! Show's you shouldn't do anything without the full story !! I have enjoyed myself looking & have found out more about the Bishops' House then I ever knew before, as my family came from the Heeley / Woodseats area . I even found out where to put the apostrophy " S " !! Let us all know what you eventually find out & I will keep in touch with all my relations I have found on " Genes Reunited " & see if they come up with anything .......forever an optimist, thats me !! Good luck in your continued search as I think you are going to need it !! Barbara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duckweed Posted March 13, 2012 Author Share Posted March 13, 2012 I have now been researching for about 18 months and I have found a lot out from people searching their own family history. They may not even be aware that their research is invaluable to Bishops House. Certain families had links with the Blythes through marriage or had links with the tennant farmers who came to Bishops House after the Blythes. I can trace the Blythes back to Chesterfield and the 13th century till they acquired the land in Norton Lees. It gets a bit confused at one point owing to so many John's and Williams but as the Blythes were lawyers there are still plenty court cases to work my way through. The more modern is harder to do as records may have been destroyed or may be in some family archive somewhere. What I haven't been able to find yet is any copy of the deeds when Benjamin Roebuck sold to Samuel Shore, or any list of tennants. I went through what documents Sheffield Council has but no clues there. If you had an ancestor who farmed in Norton Lees they may have been a tennant. Field names such as Stoney Fields, Huckerback, Great Well Dole East Meadows are all Blythe fields for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Barbara M Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 All my immediate family were scythe grinders but I will ask around my " extended " family if they can help, one of the Willoughbys,three grts granddads brother Henry b1821 had a farm Emmett Carr Farm, Renishaw , probably not a lot of help but farmers fields are not always near to the farmhouse as I have found round this area anyway !! Barbara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duckweed Posted April 4, 2012 Author Share Posted April 4, 2012 I do know that especially if you were a tennant farmer you take what fields you can get and when you are doing well enough to expand. I know that certain fields belonged to Bishops House Farm and certain fields were on long term lease by the Blythes. After the Civil War Blythes of Lees bought a number of properties to add to BH Farm. All the property was sold around 1759 probably most of it to Benjamin Roebuck who bought Meersbrook Farm and estate. The House was split into 2 between then and 1814. (There is a sketch dated around 1814 that shows the House with 2 separate doors.) It is said that the House was split to rent out to a tennant farmer and a labouring family. This is hard to establish as the House does not have exact tennants listed. It seems likely that from the enclosure maps there were 2 tennants sharing the Bishops House Farm lands the Lowes and the Wildes. The Lowes had land all over Norton Lees so possibly they didn't live in Bishops House but I think the Wildes probably did. After them we have definite tennancy records in 1840 from the Tithe records and the White family were using Bishops House and the adjoining cottages. After that there are the census records so a gap comes after 1911 when we have no census records available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duckweed Posted April 17, 2012 Author Share Posted April 17, 2012 List now a little more filled We have Whites from 1830s till House becomes part of the park, Henry Ryalls lefthand side and Harry Cheetham right hand side. Cheetham left and was replaced By Charles W Chester. Both died Henry and Harry died in late 1920s. So we have gap from then till 1946 for one side and unknown the other side. We have Fred in right half of house from 1946 till 1960s and then followed by Peter Gill and family. On the other side from 50s -60s was G Bradley, then the House had Whattams lefthand side till 70s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Barbara M Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 You have done very well duckweed, I didn't think you stood much of a chance..... so the gap that needs filling is late 1920's to 1946 which includes the war years. You would think with all the contacts we have on here somebody would remember something , specially about the war years, as that time seems to stay in peoples minds more then most things do !! I will let you know if I come across anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duckweed Posted April 17, 2012 Author Share Posted April 17, 2012 Thanks to someone elses help about tax claims from elsewhere on Sheffield History I think I have the ones before White as George and Thomas Wilde and that is from 1798. So the gap narrows a bit as I now need to know between 1759 and 1798. and about 1929 and 1942. Someone came to me a year ago and said their family had lived there before the war. His siblings had been born there but he was born after they left. Unfortunately he didn't give me his name. I think he came through a conversation I had with expats on Sheffield Forum. Shall have to go back there and see if I can get in touch again with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Wilde Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 I don't think it's very likely that these are the same George and Thomas Wilde, who you mention as tenant farmers around Bishop's House, but I thought I'd post this anyway. George and Thomas are common names in my ancestry. For example, I have two brothers of that name, eldest brothers of my third-great-grandfather John Wilde. Their parents were George Wilde (1731-1800) and Elizabeth Burrus (1729-1807) of Sheffield. The two brothers were: Thomas Wilde; chr. Sheffield parish church 1761; married Ann [possibly Thompson], Sheffield parish church, and Jane Ellis, Doncaster 1796; died 1838. George Wilde; chr. Sheffield p c 1763; married Phoebe Calton, Sheffield pc 1789; died 1800. I have both George senior and junior as both "cutler" and "grinder", in the historical records. They died in the same year, and at least George snr was buried at All Saints Ecclesall. I don't anything about what Thomas did - so I suppose it's possible that he farmed. Matthew Wilde. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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