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I'm glad the maps that I posted have come in useful Dave,

obviously you know the area well,

'I dont' .. it took me about twenty minutes to find Albert Rd .. :mellow:

Well done and that's another mystery solved.

PS. whats the pub (Inn) on the map?

The inn marked on the map near Albert Rd will be the Hollin Bush. The earliest known keeper/evidence we currently have state the Hollin Bush has been there since 1881. It is possible there are earlier keepers yet to be found and therefore the Pub may be older; if you have any additional information please post it up.

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The inn marked on the map near Albert Rd will be the Hollin Bush, been there since 1881 according to the main pub entry

Yes its the Hollin Bush, - a pub that me and Stuart0742 know quite well having had several pints or two in there.

The fact that it was a Victorian small village pub probably explains why we moan about the pub being too small every time we go in and then say we wont go there anymore (even though we occasionally do)

Anyway, I digress, - this is the maps thread.

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The inn marked on the map near Albert Rd will be the Hollin Bush, been there since 1881 according to the main pub entry

I would always qualify the "Main Pub List" as follows :

The earliest known keeper/evidence we currently have state the Pub has been there since 1881. It is possible there are earlier keepers yet to be found and therefore the Pub may be older; if you have any additional information please post it up. This is especially important for Pubs stated to have opened in 1948 and 1951 - this simply means we have not yet found earlier keepers.

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I would always qualify the "Main Pub List" as follows :

The earliest known keeper/evidence we currently have state the Pub has been there since 1881. It is possible there are earlier keepers yet to be found and therefore the Pub may be older; if you have any additional information please post it up. This is especially important for Pubs stated to have opened in 1948 and 1951 - this simply means we have not yet found earlier keepers.

Point taken

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Point taken

Not having a go at you or established members, merely another pointer for new members who see the word "open" and take it to mean the Pub was opened in that year. My fault entirely, but first known keeper sounded a bit daft.

All "open" dates are there for improvement/constructive critisism; especially if supported by any kind of evidence; all Census evidence most welcome, Ukelele Lady is particularly good at this - it's all there to be improved, it was just a "damned good first best shot". Open 1951 or Open 1893 is meant as a challenge; if you can find evidence of a keeper or even the existence of the Pub 120+ years earlier then all power to you; we'll consider it and hopefully knock a boat-load of years off that opening date.

100+ years off is still possible; I've taken 1 year off a Pub today and I could not be more delighted - see Acorn, Shalesmoor - taken back with reasonable evidence one whole year.

Any questions regarding the "Open" heading from anyone, please PM me for clarification - new member or established member.

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pre:1931

Carter Knowle - Intake

Beauchief - Lightwood

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Quite a detailed map (1849), there are supposed to be 10 dams in all, I can only find eight ...

Six in a group near what is now Crookes Valley Road, one near Blakeney Road, the other side of this dam is met by Reservoir Road and Embankment Road (bit of a clue, huh ?), and one on Whitehouse Lane.

The Heavygate on Heavygate Road stands out quite well also.

Large file, wanted to maintain detail ...

Thought we had better have a copy of Richards map in this section.

Crookes/Walkley Area 1849

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I'll toss these in for what they're worth. They're reconstructed maps of the Porter Valley with place and field names, based on the Harrison Survey of 1637, and the associated report by G. Scurfield, and the Upper Hallam Enclosures of 1791.

The maps go in order from West to East.

Harrison 1637

Upper Hallam Enclosures 1791

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This could be useful.

A modern OS map of Sheffield. Use the zoom to show property down to individual buildings and numbers.

I'm not sure about the copy-write rules for uploading the pdf. I can't see why not because it automatically downloads when visiting the site anyway, but here's the online link to be safe.

Perhaps one amongst us will know if we can upload the actual pdf or not.

URCS Online - Detailed Map

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This could be useful.

A modern OS map of Sheffield. Use the zoom to show property down to individual buildings and numbers.

I'm not sure about the copy-write rules for uploading the pdf. I can't see why not because it automatically downloads when visiting the site anyway, but here's the online link to be safe.

Perhaps one amongst us will know if we can upload the actual pdf or not.

URCS Online - Detailed Map

.

Not sure,

but would say that by uploading the pdf onto here would be classed as breach of copyright,

as would using sections taken from the map.

The link you have added shouldn't be a problem though.

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This could be useful.

A modern OS map of Sheffield. Use the zoom to show property down to individual buildings and numbers.

I'm not sure about the copy-write rules for uploading the pdf. I can't see why not because it automatically downloads when visiting the site anyway, but here's the online link to be safe.

Perhaps one amongst us will know if we can upload the actual pdf or not.

URCS Online - Detailed Map

.

Excellent at 800%, Thanks for posting it up :rolleyes:

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Bacon's Map c.1920

Hello.

Sorry I'm late with this one but Ive been off the site since May.

I have had a cursory look at the set of Bacon maps and concluded they were pre 1900 and may be as early as 1880. That is if we are not victims of some very sloppy draftsmanship.

For instance:

Grid Ref. C11 - This shows Burgreave Cemetery as it was originally layed-out (no pun intended) in 1860/61. It doesn not show the addition/extension out to Scott Road. This was added by the Corporation when they assumed responsiblity for the cemetery in 1900

Grid Ref. E10 - This shows the old Brightside Brielow workhouse on Rock Street. This closed when the new Firvale Workhouse open in 1880/81. Of course the note on the map may just be to identify the location of the old workhouse's buildings even thought they were disused after 1881.

Grid Ref. E10 - One street over from Rock Street is Fitzalan Street. The map shows this street going from Nottingham Street right down to Chatham Street. When the MSL/GC extended the Bridgehouses yard in the direction of Neepsend, Fitzalan Street was terminated at Railway Street. The railway however did provided provide a foot bridge, on the old Fitzalan Street road alignment, from Railway Street to Chatham Street. If you want to know what the foot bridge looked like, see "A Pitsmoor Camera", by J.R. Wrigley, Page 34. A lot of the trackwork in the Bridgehouses yard seems to have been lifted when this photograph was taken, as was the trackwork on Page 35 of the same publication. All we have to do now is find out when the yard was extended to establish another bench mark for the search.

I have other comments about streets in the Wicker area but I need to collect my facts first.

Regards

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Bacon's Map c.1920

Hello.

Sorry I'm late with this one but Ive been off the site since May.

I have had a cursory look at the set of Bacon maps and concluded they were pre 1900 and may be as early as 1880. That is if we are not victims of some very sloppy draftsmanship.

For instance:

Grid Ref. C11 - This shows Burgreave Cemetery as it was originally layed-out (no pun intended) in 1860/61. It doesn not show the addition/extension out to Scott Road. This was added by the Corporation when they assumed responsiblity for the cemetery in 1900

Grid Ref. E10 - This shows the old Brightside Brielow workhouse on Rock Street. This closed when the new Firvale Workhouse open in 1880/81. Of course the note on the map may just be to identify the location of the old workhouse's buildings even thought they were disused after 1881.

Grid Ref. E10 - One street over from Rock Street is Fitzalan Street. The map shows this street going from Nottingham Street right down to Chatham Street. When the MSL/GC extended the Bridgehouses yard in the direction of Neepsend, Fitzalan Street was terminated at Railway Street. The railway however did provided provide a foot bridge, on the old Fitzalan Street road alignment, from Railway Street to Chatham Street. If you want to know what the foot bridge looked like, see "A Pitsmoor Camera", by J.R. Wrigley, Page 34. A lot of the trackwork in the Bridgehouses yard seems to have been lifted when this photograph was taken, as was the trackwork on Page 35 of the same publication. All we have to do now is find out when the yard was extended to establish another bench mark for the search.

I have other comments about streets in the Wicker area but I need to collect my facts first.

Regards

Hello Falls2,

thank you for your help with the dating of 'Bacon's Map'

I have amended the title,

and it's nice to see you back on the forum Falls2 (former member name - Falls)

Bacon's Large Scale Plan of Sheffield (pre - 1900)

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Bacon's Map c.1920

Hello.

Sorry I'm late with this one but Ive been off the site since May.

I have had a cursory look at the set of Bacon maps and concluded they were pre 1900 and may be as early as 1880. That is if we are not victims of some very sloppy draftsmanship.

For instance:

Grid Ref. C11 - This shows Burgreave Cemetery as it was originally layed-out (no pun intended) in 1860/61. It doesn not show the addition/extension out to Scott Road. This was added by the Corporation when they assumed responsiblity for the cemetery in 1900

Grid Ref. E10 - This shows the old Brightside Brielow workhouse on Rock Street. This closed when the new Firvale Workhouse open in 1880/81. Of course the note on the map may just be to identify the location of the old workhouse's buildings even thought they were disused after 1881.

Grid Ref. E10 - One street over from Rock Street is Fitzalan Street. The map shows this street going from Nottingham Street right down to Chatham Street. When the MSL/GC extended the Bridgehouses yard in the direction of Neepsend, Fitzalan Street was terminated at Railway Street. The railway however did provided provide a foot bridge, on the old Fitzalan Street road alignment, from Railway Street to Chatham Street. If you want to know what the foot bridge looked like, see "A Pitsmoor Camera", by J.R. Wrigley, Page 34. A lot of the trackwork in the Bridgehouses yard seems to have been lifted when this photograph was taken, as was the trackwork on Page 35 of the same publication. All we have to do now is find out when the yard was extended to establish another bench mark for the search.

I have other comments about streets in the Wicker area but I need to collect my facts first.

Regards

Welcome back Falls; very well done with the presentation of your evidence - I like it !

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Bacon's Map c.1920

Hello.

Sorry I'm late with this one but Ive been off the site since May.

I have had a cursory look at the set of Bacon maps and concluded they were pre 1900 and may be as early as 1880. That is if we are not victims of some very sloppy draftsmanship.

For instance:

Grid Ref. C11 - This shows Burgreave Cemetery as it was originally layed-out (no pun intended) in 1860/61. It doesn not show the addition/extension out to Scott Road. This was added by the Corporation when they assumed responsiblity for the cemetery in 1900

Grid Ref. E10 - This shows the old Brightside Brielow workhouse on Rock Street. This closed when the new Firvale Workhouse open in 1880/81. Of course the note on the map may just be to identify the location of the old workhouse's buildings even thought they were disused after 1881.

Grid Ref. E10 - One street over from Rock Street is Fitzalan Street. The map shows this street going from Nottingham Street right down to Chatham Street. When the MSL/GC extended the Bridgehouses yard in the direction of Neepsend, Fitzalan Street was terminated at Railway Street. The railway however did provided provide a foot bridge, on the old Fitzalan Street road alignment, from Railway Street to Chatham Street. If you want to know what the foot bridge looked like, see "A Pitsmoor Camera", by J.R. Wrigley, Page 34. A lot of the trackwork in the Bridgehouses yard seems to have been lifted when this photograph was taken, as was the trackwork on Page 35 of the same publication. All we have to do now is find out when the yard was extended to establish another bench mark for the search.

I have other comments about streets in the Wicker area but I need to collect my facts first.

Regards

The 7th in the set of 9 "bacon chops" has a box of information.

It quotes the poulation of various areas of Sheffield in 1901 (presumably from the 1901 census)

Therefore the map MUST post date 1901.

Looks like the c1920 would be nearer the mark.

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The 7th in the set of 9 "bacon chops" has a box of information.

It quotes the poulation of various areas of Sheffield in 1901 (presumably from the 1901 census)

Therefore the map MUST post date 1901.

Looks like the c1920 would be nearer the mark.

Perhaps you're both right. It may have been published post 1901, but the actual mapping could have been produced earlier. Maps used to be very complicated things to get into print, even in the 19th Century it could still be several years between surveying and actual publication.

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Perhaps you're both right. It may have been published post 1901, but the actual mapping could have been produced earlier. Maps used to be very complicated things to get into print, even in the 19th Century it could still be several years between surveying and actual publication.

Seems a very reasonable suggestion Bayleaf, you are probably right.

I had noticed some time ago in our collection of 1950's OS maps that some of the maps which were, for example, Crown Copyright 1956 would also have on them "from 1947 survey", indicating that in its year of publication the information used to produce the map was already 9 years old.

Makes you wonder how today that can justify producing a new motorists road atlas every year with the current year on it in very big figures.

Are the road atlases any different from each other? Or have they all come from one survey which perhaps only gets re-surveyed once every 10 or so years?

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The 7th in the set of 9 "bacon chops" has a box of information.

It quotes the poulation of various areas of Sheffield in 1901 (presumably from the 1901 census)

Therefore the map MUST post date 1901.

Looks like the c1920 would be nearer the mark.

Hi,

If the maps make reference to 1901 census information, then obviously its much later than it appears. If its publication date was in fact as late as 1920, then some the details shown could be 30-40 years old. I don't think any of us would get very far in Britain using a 30 year old road map.

On a 2006 visit to England, I had alot of travelling to do and bought what I believed to be a 2006 road map. At least that's what was claimed on the cover and in the text inside (all the latest up todate road information,etc.). I had a number of different places to visit and one in particular was a hotel that was supposed to be on the Great North Road with a Selby address. Well, between the area being surveyed, the map being printed and my purchase of a copy, the Great North Road in that area had been moved approx. 400 yards east . I found the hotel OK because I had a vague recollection of its location. Had I been your typical North American tourist however, who can't navigate even with GPS, I would probably still be looking.

Regards

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Hi,

If the maps make reference to 1901 census information, then obviously its much later than it appears. If its publication date was in fact as late as 1920, then some the details shown could be 30-40 years old. I don't think any of us would get very far in Britain using a 30 year old road map.

On a 2006 visit to England, I had alot of travelling to do and bought what I believed to be a 2006 road map. At least that's what was claimed on the cover and in the text inside (all the latest up todate road information,etc.). I had a number of different places to visit and one in particular was a hotel that was supposed to be on the Great North Road with a Selby address. Well, between the area being surveyed, the map being printed and my purchase of a copy, the Great North Road in that area had been moved approx. 400 yards east . I found the hotel OK because I had a vague recollection of its location. Had I been your typical North American tourist however, who can't navigate even with GPS, I would probably still be looking.

Regards

I suppose this very issue of "how old is a map" now throws some doubt on our methods of dating old maps by looking at what streets and buildings it shows and comparing this with their build / opening dates. Many maps do not have a date on them, not even a copyright date, and there are clearly big discrepancies between survey date, printing / copyright date and dates of availability until replaced by a more updated version.

It is just going to make dating old maps that bit more difficult.

There seems to have been at one time an attempt to protect maps from premature obsolecence by putting on proposed features in the planning stage before they were actually built. I am sure I once had an old map of Sheffield with Sheffield Parkway on it as a dotted in road and marked "Sheffield Parkway (proposed route of)"

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Can't see this been posted before - forgive me if it has.

Luckily didn't get used for it's purpose!

http://www.germaninvasion.co.uk/townplans/index.htm

German map of Sheffield and directions.

Is this for a land or air attack?

The column at the side indicates travelling distances from other towns indicating a land army attack.

Also there are no marked "targets" for bombing if it was to be an air attack.

Interesting map, - just glad it was never used for its intended purpose.

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